#indieweb 2024-07-02

2024-07-02 UTC
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Get webmentions with shell script using jq & yq" https://maw.sh/blog/get-webmention-with-jq-and-yq/
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capjamesg[d]
This is a comforting blog post on life without social media: https://mehretbiruk.com/2023/03/27/what-is-social-media-for/
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capjamesg[d]
I am thinking of leaving Mastodon.
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capjamesg[d]
One framing in my mind is that the most meaningful of social interactions I have had have not happened on social media.
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capjamesg[d]
While I have met many people on social media -- and discovered the IndieWeb through it! -- the question is whether I can justify the countless hours spent scrolling and feeling not-so-great or that I am missing out or that I'm behind.
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[ricola]
That's interesting as I have been pondering the same. Rarely, if at all, have I had a discussion on social media sites beyond asking a question. On my phone, I grouped them and titled the group Social Suck.
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capjamesg[d]
I like being able to share my writing to a wider audience, but the question is: is it worth it?
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ur_papa
Hello indies! Been lurking a bit but it is time to emerge from the shadows - here's my site https://bencoveney.com/
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capjamesg[d]
Welcome to the community, ur_papa[d]!
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petermolnar
that is because you need one to be the extension of the other; real world events and an online space to continue whenever and wherever. Indieweb works because of the indiewebcamps; social media without meetups will never give you the same.
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petermolnar
capjamesg[d]++ that article from Mehret is wonderful
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Loqi
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Loqi
Front End Study Hall #006 is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/SSFMWaLFzMng
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[Joe_Crawford]
The Zoom is open and started ^ for FrESH #006!
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[Murray]
Ah I can actually come and lurk for a bit! Excellent timing 🙂
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[Murray]
Oh no, Zoom updates 😅
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jimwins
Mastodon has officially launched the fediverse:creator thing that was discussed here (or maybe it was #indieweb-dev) about a week ago. https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2024/07/highlighting-journalism-on-mastodon/
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[Otto_Rask]
i wonder where the setting for "moderator approved sites" exists, is it something hardcoded into mastodon or is it an instance setting?
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jimwins
My understanding is that it's an instance setting related to what links are allowed to appear in a 'Trending links' feature it has.
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capjamesg[d]
[Joe_Crawford]++ for hosting FESH!
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Loqi
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[Murray]
[Joe_Crawford]++ indeed! Fun session 🙂
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Loqi
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[Joe_Crawford]
Thanks for sharing your columnar layout [Murray]++
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Loqi
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[Joe_Crawford]
Such great timing!
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voxpelli
The new Mastodon thing kind of duplicates rel-author: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/30398#issuecomment-2204184781
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[tantek]
^ I think better to take that to #indieweb-dev as the discussions are going to get deep into publishing/discovery challenges for the intended use-case even beyond "journalists"
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[tantek]
In an informal coffee chat today we discussed the phenomenon of when/which posts receive mostly (or nearly all or all) thoughtful responses and whether that can be replicated or encouraged by the way we write our posts, how we structure our posts etc.
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[tantek]
I brought up my current thinking which is to add an explicit "Thoughtful Responses" section (with that heading) at the end of my post where I statically copy/pasted the thoughtful comments received on a post via Mastodon or any other source. This is something I used to do manually on my old blog, either by responses folks sent me or I discovered via Technorati (though I'd only link to the responses, not copy them inline, which I regret not doing
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[tantek]
since many have subsequently been lost)
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[tantek]
Someone recently post about their own (re)discovery and usage of this practice, labeling it 'webnotes', and it showed up in #indieweb-stream where we had a bit of a discussion about it: https://chat.indieweb.org/stream/2024-06-19#t1718817601749100
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[tantek]
Does anyone (else) here manually curate a "Comments" or other section on their post where 100% of the comments/responses listed are manually added, with at least a link to the response, or in addition the name of the author (what I used to do on my old blog), or in addition to that, a full static copy of their response (what I'm considering doing now) ?
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[tantek]
Also wondering if there's a page we already have on this practice where we have documented IndieWeb Examples
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[tantek]
(hat tip [Joe_Crawford] for reminding me of the key term used in this iteration 'webnotes' that spurred discussion a couple of weeks ago)
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[tantek]
thanks that's a great example
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[tantek]
I also appreciate the likely very deliberate button microcopy "Add a Note", which you have to click to reveal a comment form which it also says explicitly in explanatory text "These aren't normal blog comments: this is a submission for publication. " along with more guidelines after the form.
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gRegor
Yeah, also interesting that "Notes are given equal status with the original post in terms of typographical hierarchy." https://thelocalyarn.com/projects/local-yarn-site-notes
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[tantek]
that is fascinating. almost bordering on (or maybe actually) co-authorship / collaborative authoring
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[tantek]
I appreciate experiments / efforts like this that blur the lines between previous conventions, and explore new possibilities
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claudinec
[tantek]: I'm manually curating comments from the fediverse, not that I get that many, e.g. https://www.claudinec.net/posts/2024-05-26-indieweb/
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Loqi
[preview] Claudine Chionh
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[tantek]
claudinec++ excellent! that's certainly enough examples to create a page on this
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Loqi
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[tantek]
what are comments
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Loqi
Comments are displayed in the context of an original post, and may be a mix of syndicated reply posts from other sites received via Webmention, as well as locally created comments https://indieweb.org/comments
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[tantek]
perhaps manual comments or I do like "curated comments" as that conveys more intentionality and specific meaning
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[tantek]
also focuses on the human-side rather than the implementation which may or may not be fully manual / semi-automatic / fully automatic
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[tantek]
[Joe_Crawford], capjamesg[d] WDYT about "curated comments" as an alternative phrase/name for what that other person dubbed "webnotes"? Do you have alternative suggestions?
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gRegor
roque syndication links again?