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@nhoizey Webmentions on my site with @AaronGustafson plugin, @aaronpk’s https://webmention.io/ and https://brid.gy/ https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/01/how-much-data-should-my-service-worker-put-upfront-in-the-offline-cache.html#webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/824772584764035073)
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KartikPrabhu what is faceversary?!
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Loqi Faceversary is what Facebook calls their siloversary, that is, an anniversary of the date someone joined Facebook https://indieweb.org/Faceversary
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KartikPrabhu marketing jargon!!
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KartikPrabhu what is indieversary?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieversary" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a blogiversary?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "blogiversary" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@Iggy Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you mention it on your site https://webmention.net/draft/#abstract-p-1 (twitter.com/_/status/824880779670937600)
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@W3CSverige Ny Recommendation: sociala webben ... ”Webmention”. Se http://www.w3c.se/news-archive/2017/01.html#item3211 (twitter.com/_/status/824931532120977409)
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aaronpk oh no jonnybarnes i broke your site!
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jonnybarnes hmmmm
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aaronpk it was fine until it tried to show my webmention
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aaronpk my webmention included emoji so check that :)
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jonnybarnes its not that: ErrorException: array_key_exists() expects parameter 2 to be array, string given in /home/jonny/websites/jonnybarnes.uk/vendor/jonnybarnes/webmentions-parser/src/Authorship.php:172
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aaronpk aha. i tend to break authorship parsing since i fall under one of the edge cases
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voxpelli aaronpk: are your edge case part of https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger ? If not, then adding it there would make it easy for jonnybarnes to debug things :)
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aaronpk not sure!
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aaronpk looks like that one has my old site layout
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voxpelli yeah, was a while since I added the snapshots there, so they could use an updating – when updated they will automatically become part of my endpoints test suite
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KevinMarks I had that same problem with Aaron's u-author in my recipe code
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voxpelli should get around to updating the testpinger then, but PR:a are appreciated, especially as it feels better to have an ok on pulling in copies of people's sites
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aaronpk are http Link headers allowed to be relative?
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aaronpk er, path-relative. i'm not sure what the word is for that
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aaronpk like `GET /some/page` returns `Link: <foo>` which means it resolves to /some/foo
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@jbjohansson @aaronpk @ChrisAldrich Yay! Just got this far from scratch. Not too difficult at all; just a matter of reading spec. https://webmention.rocks/test/4 (twitter.com/_/status/825038814175326208)
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tantek aaronpk pretty sure my library answers that question :)
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tantek (my Webmention endpoint detection library that checks LINK headers for endpoints)
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tantek I read the spec at the time, coded it up, then promptly flushed that memory, having incorporated the relevant information into code
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aaronpk i will be curious to see if that library works with this test
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tantek hoping I cited the spec in the code
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aaronpk this code? https://github.com/indieweb/link-rel-parser-php/blob/master/src/IndieWeb/link_rel_parser.php
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tantek that sounds right
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tantek yes. note the $url param and the call to get_absolute_url
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tantek er uri
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aaronpk the real question is which URL that library passes to get_absolute_url
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aaronpk we'll see soon
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tantek whichever you pass into the function
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tantek which better be the absolute URL that you (the client) used to retrieve $h (the headers you're passing in to be parsed)
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tantek 100% caller responsibility to pass in the right URL
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aaronpk this is where i suspect there is a bug: https://github.com/indieweb/link-rel-parser-php/blob/master/src/IndieWeb/get_rel_webmention.php#L109
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tantek why? that $url is also from an input param, again, caller responsibility
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aaronpk if that URL is a redirect, and if curl follows the redirect, then you need to update the value of $url to be the final URL that the page was fetched in order for the relative URL resolution to work
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tantek nope, curl is not following redirects, see comment above
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aaronpk well then you'll just be unable to send webmentions to a page that happens to be a redirect
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tantek the CURLOPT_FOLLOWLOCATION option was causing some bizarro PHP failure so I cut it
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tantek no that's the caller responsibility to handle the redirect first
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aaronpk for example if someone changes their URLs and you try to re-send a webmention to something you linked to before
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tantek possibly. or that someone could also return the webmention endpoint as part of the headers of their redirect
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tantek hmm - getting annoyed at having to update my hotlinked IG images when they keep moving their CDN from cdininstagram.com to fbcdn.net and back
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aaronpk #ownyourphotos
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tantek more like #ownyourjpegs but yeah
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tantek I mean the /photo posts are on my site :)
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tantek the permalinks - the important thing that people link to
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aaronpk you hope
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aaronpk i'm sure instagram said the same thing
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tantek huh?
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aaronpk "it's fine to move the jpgs because people always link to the instagram.com urls"
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tantek oh hah. yeah
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: its aliiiive https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/DQ
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Loqi [Jonny Barnes] How about an Apple Watch?
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aaronpk woo
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aaronpk yay with emoji and everything!
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Loqi giggles
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jonnybarnes my authorship parser gets to a point where it assumes the author value found is a URL, i.e. a string
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jonnybarnes where is actually isn’t, its an array with one entry thats a string
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aaronpk those sneaky arrays
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jonnybarnes so flattening that to a string and everything worked again
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tantek aaronpk how come your reply doesn't POSSE tweet thread?
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aaronpk huh?
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aaronpk oh i just didn't syndicate that one to twitter because i didn't realize jonnybarnes had
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tantek https://twitter.com/i/web/status/825020712574390272
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@jonnybarnes @aaronpk @Jawbone @fitbit How about an Apple Watch? (https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/DQ) (twitter.com/_/status/825020712574390272)
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aaronpk i saw his webmention and i had already replied before i saw the tweet
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tantek with original permalink and everything!
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aaronpk my workflow is getting too fast
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tantek ah! your backend should determine that for you automatically!
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aaronpk there's still a few missing pieces in order to do that properly
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tantek by noticing that on his original https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/DQ he has a u-syndication link to a tweet permalink
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Loqi [Jonny Barnes] How about an Apple Watch?
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tantek and then automatically POSSE a tweet @-reply to that
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tantek seems like you're close
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aaronpk i put his original URL into the "reply" field in quill, so quill would need to look for the syndication URL. the trick is then matching it with one of my syndicate-to options, which don't have any machine-parsable information about which service/account they are for
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tantek should quill do that or should p3k do it?
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tantek shouldn't be dependent on all micropub clients having to support it IMO
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jonnybarnes well quill should tell p3k what syndicating aaron wants to happen?
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aaronpk i want it in my UI in order to be able to selectively turn it off
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aaronpk because i don't *always* want to POSSE replies
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aaronpk which is why there are syndication buttons in quill in the first place
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tantek on / POSSE tweet @-reply to POSSE tweet / off
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aaronpk but now you've hard-coded twitter into micropub?
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tantek no it's per syndicate-to destination
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jonnybarnes on / POSSE to in-reply-to syndicated version / off?
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tantek on / POSSE reply to POSSE original / off
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tantek jonnybarnes++ yes. also well done with your site update!
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Loqi jonnybarnes has 1 karma in this channel (11 overall)
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jonnybarnes why does tantek always choose the better phrasing?
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: one more thing, your home page h-card needs a u-url set to your home page! right now it looks like your primary URL is your facebook page
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tantek luck. practice. experience. pick 2 ;)
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tantek aaronpk hey are you able to POSSE after the fact and thread it that way?
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aaronpk hmm
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jonnybarnes does the u-url need to come before the facebook url, or will anywhere in the h-card do aaronpk?
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aaronpk IMO it should be the first one in the list for consumers who only look at one URL.
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aaronpk tantek: looks like i'm not storing the syndication URL when I store my reply context, and I definitely don't have code that checks whether the thing i'm replying to is an original post with a syndication URL that might match twitter.com. i'd have to add that for it to work
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tantek aaronpk: the way I've been designing storage of such things in Falcon is literally as stepping stones toward /reader functionality
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tantek reply-context cache -> entire item cache -> entire feed cache
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tantek where reply-context cache will be incrementally used by my reply display code
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tantek and entire item cache will be incrementally used by my comments display code
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tantek and then entire feed cache will be used by my reader display code
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tantek including all syndication urls of items in order to enable simpler responses with POSSE copies to wherever the originals were syndicated to
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tantek it's all part of the "where do I cache stuff not from me" storage problem
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tantek with multiple incremental clients in my code
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aaronpk alright tantek there you go: https://webmention.rocks/test/23
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Loqi [Webmention Rocks!] Discovery Test #23
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tantek ?
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: my h-card should be better now
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aaronpk yay
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jonnybarnes wow, didn’t we go from mp-syndicate-to -> syndicate-to? and now its mp-syndicate-to again??
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tantek huh?
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tantek what is syndicate-to?
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Loqi syndicate-to is https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#syndication-targets https://indieweb.org/syndicate-to
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jonnybarnes but the spec now says to use mp-syndicate-to
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aaronpk i don't think it ever switched *back*, it just started as syndicate-to and then we realized it made more sense as a command rather than as part of the post (e.g. there is no syndicate-to property of h-entry)
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tantek it's more involved than just setting the "syndication" property, in particular
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tantek (which could have been another alternative)
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tantek (you can't set the property because you don't know the precise syndication permalink URL)
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aaronpk well that's still possible. in fact some of my scripts set the syndication property after they do the syndication work
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tantek (you the client can only convey a preference from the user *to* syndicate to a silo destination, after which the side-effect is that the syndication property is set to a syndication permalink)
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tantek sure, that's different
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aaronpk yeah that's just updating a property that happens to be named "syndication"
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sebsel aaronpk re: webmention tests, I still think the last one should add the /page here in these lists: https://seblog.nl/temp/media-endpoint/2ff895-webmentions-tests.jpg :)
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sebsel because those are the lists you copy+paste
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aaronpk oh *that* list
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aaronpk hm yeah
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sebsel yeah, pictures say more then words.
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@Shaharyar_afzal Webmention https://wordpress.org/plugins/webmention/ https://twitter.com/Shaharyar_afzal/status/825117234594844675/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/825117234594844675)
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tantek ^^ screenshot of the wiki?
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