#dev 2018-12-14

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[jgmac1106]
!tell mblaney why isn't indiepay.me picking up the h-card on https://jgregorymcverry.com/badges ?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[IndieWeb.org] To earn the chat-name badge you had to Join the indieweb.org wiki and add your name to chat-names. Greg McVerry earned this badge as evidenced by [1]
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mblaney
hi [jgmac1106]
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Loqi
mblaney: [jgmac1106] left you a message 7 minutes ago: why isn't indiepay.me picking up the h-card on https://jgregorymcverry.com/badges ?
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mblaney
I'll take a look
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mblaney
[jgmac1106] indiepay.me is trying to match the provided url to an h-card, and it doesn't find "https://jgregorymcverry.com/badges" as a url on that page.
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Loqi
[IndieWeb.org] To earn the chat-name badge you had to Join the indieweb.org wiki and add your name to chat-names. Greg McVerry earned this badge as evidenced by [1]
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mblaney
I'm assuming you've typed that into the search box when you've logged in to indiepay.me? If you're trying to do something else, let me know.
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[jgmac1106]
ahh I would need to add a rel=me link on that page in the h-card
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[jgmac1106]
i shouldn't be doing what I was doing anyway....but wanted to see it as a micropub ledger...very close to a badge issuing platform
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mblaney
It would still reject it with rel=me, it only wants a canonical h-card.
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kisik21
when I set visibility, is it available in micropub JSON as .properties.visibility or as .visibility?
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[tantek]
what is visibility?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "visibility" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "visibility is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]
what is a pickled file?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "pickled file" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "pickled file is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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kisik21
pickled file is a file containing Python objects serialized with pickle module. These files can be used as simple databases.
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kisik21
ahem
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kisik21
what is a pickled file?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "pickled file" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "pickled file is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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kisik21
pickled file is a file containing Python objects serialized with pickle module. These files can be used as simple databases.
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@jackysee
我極之buy indieweb 的精神, 唔係乜野左膠大愛無私野,只需要一個非常自私的理由:留底!indieweb 的技術面向(POSSE,micropub,indieauth..)也令人覺得這才是應做之事。 http://chainsawriot.com/mannheim/2018/11/25/indie.html
(twitter.com/_/status/1073406602806476802)
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kisik21
google translated this, and it is surprisingly not spam!
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kisik21
!tell snarfed is there a way to use another username in fediverse when using bridgy fed? for example, @vika@fireburn.ru. Self-hosting bridgy fed is ok, I just wanna know which parts to change in code...
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
I don't see it in the docs but there is a resolved issue about it https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/3
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Loqi
[00dani] #3 allow users to choose their own username
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Loqi
[singpolyma] #27 Use the acct: URI for this domain, if in h-card
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[eddie]
Hmmm I’m thinking about pros/cons of some various languages for a project. From what I can tell there isn’t any way to statically type PHP, and there aren’t really any popular languages that are statically typed and compile down to PHP? Does that sound accurate?
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[eddie]
Also, for routine code running it seems like PHP has to either be tied to a cronjob or cheat using a hack by running code after returning html to the user. Neither of which seems particular good or user friendly?
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[tantek]
I was considering the latter myself
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[eddie]
You mean the ping code to run after delivering html to the client?
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[eddie]
Or just routine code running in general?
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[eddie]
Ohhhh that is how Wordpress does it. They check their Cron items whenever a user hits the site
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[eddie]
I guess if it’s good enough for Wordpress? 🤷‍♂️
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[tantek]
wow didn't even know that. nice
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[tantek]
yes, running a bit of background task after delivering HTML to the client
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jacky
might be handy if micro.blog goes huge
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[eddie]
tantek: yep, looks like the wp_cron is actually “fake cron” meaning it runs after delivering html and checks to see if any of the schedules tasks need to run
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[tantek]
that's amazing. a scheduler built into the renderer.
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[tantek]
quite clever
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[eddie]
Hmmm seems like a lot of PHP frameworks aren’t very compatible with shared hosting 🤔 so far I’ve looked at Laravel and Symfony. Which is saddening because if I used PHP it would be because it can be installed in places easier than Node.js and Swift, but it seems like if I use a modern framework, it’s not that easy. So now I’m confused haha
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[eddie]
Time to go to bed and think about it more later.
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jacky
[eddie]: it depends on the hosting choice you'd want
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jacky
Heroku would cost you a bit
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jacky
maybe NearlyFreeSpeech
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kisik21
aaronpk: am i right that bridgy-fed will use a custom name if I have <a href="acct:vika@fireburn.ru"></a> in my h-card?
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kisik21
is this markup correct?
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mblaney
eddie I'm happy to welcome you to my land of dependency-free PHP development.... it's a lonely place! :-D lol
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kisik21
Did you know that logging in on my site has roughly 1/4 chance to succeed?
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kisik21
I have 4 workers, and each of them is NOT sharing the transient state that I need to keep track of users login flow. Once you logged in, you are logged in. But if you're in the middle and you hit the wrong worker, you're screwed.
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Ruxton
stick your workers with session vars then
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kisik21
An interesting case of russian roulette (it's funny because I'm russian myself)
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kisik21
can I make uwsgi somehow share a variable between several workers running Python code?
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Ruxton
sounds like your app sessions are stored in memory rather than a db?
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kisik21
auth codes for indielogin module (I call it like this because it does what indielogin.com does) are indeed stored in memory (I don't need them for more than a minute!)
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kisik21
Ruxton: should they be stored in a file maybe?
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Ruxton
you need to be able to identify new connections as authenticated people across all the workers, you can do that without some kind of reference id.
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Ruxton
usually this would be a sessionID, stored in file/db on the server and in cookie on the client. Client sends sessoinID in cookie, server grabs it, checks against db/file
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kisik21
I guess I could do that with /run directory - it is stored in memory anyway, so less disk IO, more persistence!
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kisik21
Ruxton: it's not a sessionID, it's a transient code in indieauth client flow. The cookie is an encrypted token that cannot be modified without me noticing, so once you're logged in, your session is stateless!
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kisik21
That's something I'm a bit proud of
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kisik21
how can I advertise a page that contains A FULL FEED of my site without pagination on my main page so people would see it?
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kisik21
aaronpk: if I added a websub hub (btw using switchboard for this!), how fast Aperture will discover it? next crawl?
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kisik21
switchboard++
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Loqi
switchboard has 1 karma over the last year
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kisik21
switchboard.p3k.io++
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Loqi
switchboard.p3k.io has 1 karma over the last year
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aaronpk
Ironically aperture is only polling right now
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[Vincent]
I’m 2/3rds of the way through writing my media endpoint. It’s been easier than i thought (especially for a coding n00b like me). Ironically the hardest part is deciding where the uploaded image lives, file path, naming etc. Rather than the code to do it
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aaronpk
haha yep
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[kevinmarks]
Node on Heroku is often cheaper to run than php or Ruby. If you want static types Go is probably your best choice - appengine runs it well, and you can install it as a binary on hosting.
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[jgmac1106]
[kevinmarks] hope you don't mind... Gave Marcus a nudge about your site
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dansup
aaronpk: your http signature code in nautilus has been really helpful. I can't wait for federation! https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/101232877790019192
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Loqi
[pixelfed] The new tumblr inspired "micro" UI is ready! It will be released with federation support. #pixelfed #tumblr https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/008/834/383/original/d0de625378dda317.png
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aaronpk
Glad it's helped!
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[jgmac1106]
What pixelfed instance should I join since the main one is closed for new members?
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dansup
pixelfed.social registration is re-opened
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dansup
you can find other instances on https://the-federation.info/pixelfed
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swentel
can't wait to test sending a comment with fed.brid.gy ;)
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kisik21
tries to send toots with fed.brid.gy
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swentel
works great
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kisik21
for me it fails...
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[jgmac1106]
Trying to convince [benwerd] and @mapkyca Bridgy Fed be fine for Known... But they want native AP support.... Worried about Single Point of Ryan
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kisik21
swentel: YAY IT WORKS
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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swentel
[jgmac1106], you don't really need anything in known to work with bridgy fed
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swentel
only send webmentions, that's it
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[jgmac1106]
Will look today
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[jgmac1106]
My semester officially done @swentel... We block out 2-3 half hour time slots we can record you walking me through Drupal install.. Make a video series
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[jgmac1106]
Going to do @gwg 2016-IndieWeb today I hope.... If the laundry machines are off.... Right next to my "studio"
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[jgmac1106]
Any archive.org users know how to get around this
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Loqi
[Greg McVerry] I am trying to add files to items but the buttons to the classic uploader not working. I am sure it is a flash issue. How can I authorize Flash on this page for Chrome I did not get a prompt?Anyone have workaround? https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/file/971f4d1cb56b35980f2ad0e164aae9bb/thumb.png
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@voss
↩️ @Cambridgeport90 Yup, worked a treat! I had to kick http://brid.gy a little before it showed up, but it's there now (:
(twitter.com/_/status/1073538158829146112)
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[jgmac1106]
@kisik21 content warning interesting. Not something we thought of in our place of privilege
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[jgmac1106]
I wonder how Atom handles those in Mastodon feeds and what happens on mf2 conversion
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[jgmac1106]
!tell aaronpk when you get a chance can you switch my aperture domain to https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel
mastodon has native mf2, look at that first :D
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[jgmac1106]
Okay... Will do... Figured it should be documented befire discussing possible solutions
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Loqi
aaronpk: [jgmac1106] left you a message 13 minutes ago: when you get a chance can you switch my aperture domain to https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com
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[eddie]
Currently a content warning has p-name on it, and the hidden content is in e-content so it presents similar to an article
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sknebel
where?
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aaronpk
I was following mastodon feeds in monocle for a while and saw that
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aaronpk
I switched to following via activitypub and haven't written actual CW support into monocle yet so I just see the post contents with no CW tag
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[kevinmarks]
It's summary in the atom too. I map it to details in mastoview
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[jgmac1106]
I know proposing new properties is frowned upon but content warning something we should think about soon. p-summary different use case
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sknebel
hm, seems like the discussion for doing it differently in ActivityPub bounced around a bit and then died
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sknebel
content_warning << [https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/232 discussion for explicit CW vs summary in AP] – deferred to "later"
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Loqi
ok, I added "[https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/232 discussion for explicit CW vs summary in AP] – deferred to "later"" to the "See Also" section of /content_warning https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54686&oldid=51229
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Loqi
[cwebber] #232 Content Warnings
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[jgmac1106]
That guy later always has so many tasks to finish
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[jgmac1106]
Personified "Do Later" as a person
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@jgmac1106
↩️ I think @kevinmarks can not use any micropub or microsub tools from his hosted withknown account. For individuals updating htaccess to https from http did the trick.. ...Yeah Known to Known migration tricky as you said...database integration (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1p58KA)
(twitter.com/_/status/1073619776252112899)
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@kevinmarks
↩️ I'm just hoping to get micropub working well enough to use with microsub clients, as it is giving token endpoint errors now.
(twitter.com/_/status/1073624274685095937)
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GWG
Anyone have any cool Easter Eggs on their website?
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aaronpk
yes, and you'll find out in 14 days
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GWG
aaronpk, chrisaldrich found one of yours
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@jgmac1106
↩️ This is how https://brid.gy works with Tumblr now...comments through Diqus a lot of people fear native comments as attack vectors for spam. Few use them anymore..most of my comments come in form of webmentions. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1PlX8x)
(twitter.com/_/status/1073634570656989184)
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@jgmac1106
↩️ This is how https://brid.gy works with Tumblr now...comments through Diqus a lot of people fear native comments as attack vectors for spam. Few use them anymore..most of my comments come in form of webmentions. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1PlX8x)
(twitter.com/_/status/1073634570656989184)
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GWG
He mentioned it during the podcast recording last night
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GWG
I was thinking of doing some things in that vein
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aaronpk
Hmm I wonder what he found!
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GWG
aaronpk, do you want me to say?
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GWG
I don't think it is a secret
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GWG
Your photo rotation
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aaronpk
Ahh yeah nice
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aaronpk
I saw his post about that
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GWG
Why?
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aaronpk
why what?
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GWG
Why did you do that?
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aaronpk
For fun
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GWG
I figured
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GWG
I want to follow people around like a haunted Mansion photo
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jacky
kisik21: regarding `p-content-warning`; I think we can leverage `p-category` for that versus re-making a whole new property
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jacky
I'm not sure the stance on adding new properties
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jacky
AFAIK, content warnings in the Mastodon space are like "subjects"
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aaronpk
There is a very specific process for adding new properties
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aaronpk
it's documented on the microformats wiki
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jacky
kisik21: ^
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sknebel
[jgmac1106]: FWIW, gatsby also generates "curlable" pages, that's not really an issue with it
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jgmac1106
yeah that is noted on gatsby page…I didn’t feel confident enough to reflect that on React pasge to I just linked to the gatsby page
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jgmac1106
and now technically you can say anyone running WordPress 5.0 is running some kind of React
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sknebel
well, backend is different in many ways
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jgmac1106
….yes, they said that is phase one, phase two is supposed to be all themes and plugins
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jgmac1106
hersey, from others who watched SOWP
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sknebel
sounded to me more like extending the editing model to everywhere, not use it for content, but also heresay so what do I know :D
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jgmac1106
long and shirt I think there are a few people running or building sites on React, I think they are WordPress, those shoudl be documented if true
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jgmac1106
I screw up writing the p-categories ofent as i see some people use the <data> element and assign the common value there…other times people just use p-category around plain text…which is what I though p indicated…
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jacky
I just read the innerText of the p-category element
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jacky
it might be a link for some people
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jgmac1106
when I am linking to hashtag..that I get…but when I want to label a chunk of text as something.
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sknebel
what do you mean by "label a chunk of text"?
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jgmac1106
in the badge example I was trying yesterday. i was trying to use two categories evidence and criteria
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sknebel
right, I didn't get what yo uwanted there
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sknebel
you want *properties* for evidence and criteria, don't you?
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jgmac1106
in my fist attempt I tried <data class=“p-category” value=“criteria”>blah blah blah</data>
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jgmac1106
don’t really care
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jgmac1106
if I can get them just on p-note that is good for now
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jgmac1106
but being able to link to or query all criteria is somethign I think about
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sknebel
a category is a short text. you can't attach a category *to* a text
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jgmac1106
I just notcied this <data class=“p-category” value=“criteria”>blah blah blah</data> comes out gross
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sknebel
that says "I want to tag this post with "criteria""
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jgmac1106
but <span class=“p-category”>the criteria is…blah blah blah</span> works
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jgmac1106
yes, thanks for thinking this through with me
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[eddie]
Because that sets "the criteria is... blah blah blah" as the category
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sknebel
do you really want that as a category?
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jgmac1106
I know and it feels wrong but looks pretty, as an easy to read when parsed
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[eddie]
if you wanted criteria as a property that would be something like this: <span class="p-criteria">This was the criteria</span>
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sknebel
why don't you make a property for that?
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[eddie]
That is probably more likely what you would want
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jgmac1106
trying to do it with existing properties and there is no consumer as per “There is a very specific process for adding new properties”
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jgmac1106
I did go for the whole enchillida of a new h* though…probably should have tried for a single for a grand slam
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jgmac1106
mixed metaphor day, sorry for American idiosm’s
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aaronpk
It seems like you're trying to represent something that is not yet able to be represented in the h-entry vocabulary which is a good hint that maybe you do need a new property
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snarfed
hey jmac just fyi your webmention endpoint fogknife.com:4000 advertised on http://fogknife.com/ is down. not sure how long it's been that way
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Loqi
snarfed: kisik21 left you a message 15 hours, 47 minutes ago: is there a way to use another username in fediverse when using bridgy fed? for example, @vika@fireburn.ru. Self-hosting bridgy fed is ok, I just wanna know which parts to change in code...
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snarfed
kisik21: looks like people already pointed you to https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/3#issuecomment-381028834 , which is the right way. put an acct: url in your site's representative h-card's u-url property, and bridgy fed should use it.
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Loqi
[snarfed] fyi all, @singpolyma's #27 implements this by looking for an `acct:` `u-url` in the representative h-card, as descibed earlier here, which seems pretty safe and likely to only be used by people who know what they're doing. i'm still a bit reluctan...
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snarfed
that's not in the docs right now because i'm not sure i want to encourage it.
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jgmac1106
Getting there on building the IndieWeb LMS, thankful to [benwerd] for thought he put into this space, the course template is done and gaining steam, the syllabus is done but I need to redo, and super close at figuring out the badging space…that will be the hook
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snarfed
jgmac1106++
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Loqi
jgmac1106 has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (91 in all channels)
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jgmac1106
then I can’t wait to a version of ReVIEW with correct h-reviews, I already have a gigantic form builder and runbric machine…even if it is held together with band aids and glue
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jgmac1106
oh snarfed how can I test if I set up fed.bridgy correct?
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jgmac1106
I can search for myself
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jgmac1106
can’t find myself?
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snarfed
that generally only works after you've federated a post or interaction
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snarfed
try replying to someone on mastodon and see if it shows up!
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[jgmac1106]
I think I messed up at this step: Finally, configure your web site to redirect these URL paths to the same paths on https://fed.brid.gy/, including query parameters:
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[jgmac1106]
I did this: Here are instructions for a few common web servers
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jgmac1106
yeah don’t even show up here: https://fed.brid.gy/responses
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snarfed
those are for individual posts/responses, not sites. have you tried eg replying to a mastodon post and sending a webmention from it to bridgy fed? ie this? https://fed.brid.gy/#To%20use%20it
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[jgmac1106]
Dublin Core..that's the metadata all the librarians love..didn;t even realized I had that too
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[jgmac1106]
I see the Granary link for the atom feed in my Pubsubhubbub section
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snarfed
[jgmac1106]: neither jgregorymcverry.com nor quickthoughts are redirecting the /.well-known/... paths to bridgy fed. you'll need to set those up first. ie https://fed.brid.gy/#Finally
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jgmac1106
I figured that happened when I did the ht-access file
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[jgmac1106]
Is this step: Finally, configure your web site to redirect these URL paths to the same paths on https://fed.brid.gy/, including query parameters: before the htaccess?
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snarfed
htaccess is just one specific way to set up the redirects
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[jgmac1106]
let me try manually and see if that works since the htaccess file change didn;t
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snarfed
which domain is this for?
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snarfed
if you've added the redirect lines to your .htaccess, they're not working
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[jgmac1106]
who knows if it is all the security stuff. firefox won't even let me delete comments now because of the mixed http/https warningsa
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snarfed
this is unrelated to any browser warnings like mixed content
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snarfed
try putting it higher in that block?
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snarfed
i'm far from an apache or htaccess expert
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[jgmac1106]
yeah and i probably only turn an engine on once, hate to crank the starter
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jgmac1106
tried all the combos to no avail, will try the manual redirects
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jgmac1106
..nope looking at clock..gotta grab the kids..till next time, thanks for the help
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jgmac1106
snarfed++
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Loqi
snarfed has 70 karma in this channel over the last year (116 in all channels)
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Zegnat
jgmac1106, re your htaccess file, I think lines 20–22 (rewriting for files that do not exist on your server) run before the one you added for .well-known. So the server never gets to it. Move the bridgy fed rewrite to after the css rewrite. Also, drop the RewriteEngine / RewriteBase lines, you already have those up top.
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Zegnat
I think that should do it then
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[jgmac1106]
sweet my car engine metaphor was on point
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[jgmac1106]
screwed the pooch on that one..gonna be late..will try later: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/
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[jgmac1106]
even my old working htaccess file doesn't work......really hope I have a backup that includes my tutorial I wrote today, rest is vapid nonsense mainly
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Zegnat
I don’t really miss apache after going to nginx
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[jgmac1106]
I could just move off my shared host onto AWS and use ngix... But that is migration to nth...
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Zegnat
This has always been a bit of a problem. You are probably on a shared host so you do not need to care for server setup, but then the software you are using asks you to tweak server settings (htaccess)
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[jgmac1106]
But reverting back not working seems weird
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[jgmac1106]
I back up on half hour
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[jgmac1106]
Should be okay
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[jgmac1106]
Puzzles are fun to solve
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Loqi
[snarfed] chrisaldrich++ oh man facebook backfeed from email notifications might actually be possible. https://snarfed.org/fb_email_comment.png , https://snarfed.org/fb_email_like.png
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snarfed
the catch is getting the emails into bridgy. looks like facebook sends notifs to the primary email on the account. i haven't yet found a way to tell it to use a different one
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aaronpk
i've done stuff like that by making forwarding rules in gmail
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snarfed
obviously i don't want people to change their fb account's primary email to one bridgy owns just for this. i guess i could have them set up a filter to forward just notif emails?
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snarfed
heh yeah great minds
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sknebel
snarfed: have the user set up forwarding?
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aaronpk
obviously not possible for everyone
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snarfed
also adds more scraping HTML fragility
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snarfed
still thuogh
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[jgmac1106]
just in a rush the file name was at top of the gist....cut and pasting error back in business
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Loqi
[snarfed] #854 facebook backfeed via email notifications
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Loqi
[Greg McVerry] absolute last try and then I give up on getting https://fed.brid.gy going for awhile...wanna get outside before it's dark.
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jgmac1106
but not others ..hmmmmm
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jgmac1106
just enough to to keep me sucked in
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[eddie]
My facebook emails have never actually given the contnet
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[eddie]
It's always just said "Go checkout what's new"
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[eddie]
Ohhh I just saw snarfed's screenshots in IndieWEb
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[eddie]
how strange, I've never gotten any emails that clear
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[eddie]
maybe I have that granularity turned off
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snarfed
jgmac1106: nice!
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[jgmac1106]
you probably turned it off. it is hell getting them all
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[jgmac1106]
just the once {snarfed}
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[schmarty]
Oh have we talked about a browser extension for bridgy backfeed?
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[jgmac1106]
I was wonderign that the way FF wraps facebook to strip away trackers
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snarfed
[schmarty]: huh no we haven't
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sknebel
I think it was suggested a few times, but never more than "one could do that"
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sknebel
and maybe generic backfeed, not bridgy-linked
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snarfed
pretty big step away from the current service model
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snarfed
i'd love to see more backfeed implementations though! way too little diversity right now
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snarfed
ownyourswarm is kind of the only other real one
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[schmarty]
Yeah I guess it's not bridge-like at that point
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snarfed
eh it still bridges silos to wm etc, just in your browser instead of the cloud
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snarfed
go for it!
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[jgmac1106]
facebook hired a PR firm to spread antisemitic memes to influence congress, the supported SOFTA juts to throw Congress a bone, they secretly sell data....I think we are having the wrong conversation IMO...#AllIGottaSayAboutThat
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[schmarty]
It would probably need a server component for the synthetic pages for WMs
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sknebel
or you could add a way to add comments directly from it
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sknebel
e.g. allow the extension to micropub comments to your site
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[jgmac1106]
could you use this make a big microoub container: https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/facebook-container-extension/
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Loqi
Facebook Container Extension: Take control of how you’re being tracked
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[schmarty]
Interesting! Micropub edits to add responses to a post.
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snarfed
[jgmac1106]: just fyi bridgy fed is getting timeouts and 403s from fetching http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/ . that's at least part of the reason you're seeing flakiness, if not the whole reason
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jgmac1106
giving up on fed.bridgy…have no idea how I sent one post, failed on another and can get nothign working after that
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jgmac1106
…I am trying to test if I had to syndicate to Twitter as well
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jgmac1106
the one time it worked I did. that….I can’t even fail another test right now
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snarfed
sorry for the trouble :(
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jgmac1106
don’t apolgize for building things I don’t understand
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sknebel
might be issues with your hosters "web firewall" again?
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jgmac1106
yeah…strange I slipped two through…would feel like maybe I trieggered something on the third
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jgmac1106
will just keep it as is and maybe one day it just works, will juts keep passing through micro.blog to get to Mastodon
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jgmac1106
the plot thickens now micro.blog didn’t pick up my RSS feed
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jgmac1106
ohh well …I meant to walk away a hhalf horu agap
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jgmac1106
especially if I am typing like that now….means beer dark-thirty…..too bad it is actually dark
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jgmac1106
will turn twitter to mastodon cross poster back on for ActivityPub stuff
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