#dev 2019-01-03

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[tantek] for you to link to both, you need something visible that makes sense to the user and worth their time to consider clicking on, for both
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jacky right - so I'm leaning towards a facepile
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[tantek] start with what visual design you want, i.e. how you want to present your likes
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[tantek] in a facepile there is a single affordance (the icon) thus you're constrained by your design choice to make one link per like
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[tantek] URL of their like is sufficient because presumably from there you can browse to their h-card / homepage
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jacky hmm okay
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jacky so re: above, I'm working on my "responses" region
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jacky http://fe61bcf3.ngrok.io/post/d1fe9a52-b91d-407a-a34b-82f296ccbefd
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jacky all of the data there is filler
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jacky https://i.imgur.com/2cYOgR1.png is the part in question
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jacky I'm using <details> + <summary> to let the browser "toggle" content (no JS needed!)
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jacky even the comments themselves are immediately hidden
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[kevinmarks] When you're at __ for spaces in tags you could just go straight to %20
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[tantek] um no %20 is much less readable than __ - remember this is all in plain text
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[tantek] also % is not a valid hashtag character
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[tantek] jacky++ that's a really slick way of using details & summary for progressive disclosure of /responses!
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snarfed agreed! the wordpress facepiles ellipsize and expand collapse nicely but use JS
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GWG snarfed: Think we should try that.
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GWG ?
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snarfed meh. extremely low priority
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GWG snarfed: I have some people who wanted fixes to the design.
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snarfed GWG: if anything i'd vote you maybe work on an option for https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-01-03/1546474763493800 instead
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snarfed er https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-01-03#t1546474763493800
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snarfed huh no Loqi. ok.
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GWG snarfed: Not sure how that would look though.
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snarfed a per-silo (ie domain) option in synd links to render without links, and instead maybe with strikethrough and/or some kind of hover text instead to indicate the silo post was deleted
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snarfed i'll prototype it myself
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GWG Happy to put it in at some point
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GWG I am doing themes right now
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GWG I decided jgmac1106 was right and even if I don't think my theme fork is anything special we need more themes in the repo
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jacky thank you snarfed & [tantek]!
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Zegnat jacky, have you seen sebsel’s design for facepiles? E.g. scroll down to “3 personen vinden dit leuk” on https://seblog.nl/2018/11/13/3/pushapi-without-notifications - avatars link to homepages, icons link to the like/bookmark/whatever post
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Zegnat He even supports reacji in that location: https://indieweb.org/reacji#Sebastiaan_Andeweg
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jacky ah reacji was something I was afraid to look into right now
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jacky largely b/c of how I'd fold that in
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jacky peeks
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jacky hmm that link doesn't seem to resolve (re: seblog.nl)
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jacky hmm seblog.nl doesn't seem to be up at all
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Zegnat It was for me when I just went looking for an example
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Zegnat Still loads for me...
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jacky weird - it's resolving nw
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jacky *now
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grobot hello
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Jookia Another dumb question: Any CMS suggestions? I don't want something that's going to pwn my server if I don't update it very often, so currently I'm using a static site. But having dynamic content and pingbacks/webmentions means I need something dynamic anyway
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[metbril] Jookia you should have a look at the wiki for CMS
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[metbril] what is CMS
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Loqi A content management system (often abbreviated as CMS) is software used to create, enter, edit, update, delete content on websites; some CMSs are used for IndieWeb sites, see the tables on this page for current usage https://indieweb.org/CMS
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Jookia Thanks
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@bradenslen I need to look into http://Webmention.io https://ramblinggit.com/2019/01/i-need-to-look-into-webmention-io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1080811435616333825)
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petermolnar Jookia: there's a strong WordPress/ClassicPress support, you can talk to them in the indieweb-wordpress channel. There are modules for Drupal and Grav; there's Known with a lot of built-in support; there are a few of us with static/semi-static sites using external services.
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GWG Was someone talking about rel-prev/next recently?
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GWG Hi, snarfed. Thanks for the issue
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snarfed welcome!
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GWG I will be implementing something next time I work on the plugin
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GWG I am working on updating my 2016 fork and taking jgmac1106's thought about submitting it to the repo so there's another compatible theme.
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GWG I wish I was better at design and CSS
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@koddsson ↩️ I've mostly hacked together stuff in nodejs + sqlite here https://github.com/koddsson/koddsson.com/blob/master/micropub.js with the intent to refactor and replace over time. Then I use http://webmentions.io, http://brid.gy, http://Micro.blog, http://indieauth.com and more. (twitter.com/_/status/1080899699329122307)
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@koddsson ↩️ I've mostly hacked together stuff in nodejs + sqlite here https://github.com/koddsson/koddsson.com/blob/master/micropub.js with the intent to refactor and replace over time. Then I use http://webmentions.io, http://brid.gy, http://Micro.blog, http://indieauth.com and more. (twitter.com/_/status/1080899699329122307)
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[tantek] GWG, same 🙂
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[tantek] GWG yes we discussed use of rel-prev for pagination and readers being able to provide a UI to view someone's previous posts that way!
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[tantek] what is rel-prev
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Loqi rel-previous is the use of the HTML rel attribute on a hyperlink to page previous to the current page with the value of "previous" to provide a way for consuming code to discover that link and navigate to it to show content previous to the current page; like an indieweb archive page that links to the previous archive page in a time series https://indieweb.org/rel-prev
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sknebel hm, isn't rel=prev the "canonical" one and rel=previous the less common one?
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[tantek] sknebel, could be. I use rel=prev myself. do you have a citation for prev being canonical? perhaps add it to the page?
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[tantek] just fixed the grammar / examples a bit
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[tantek] what is rel-prev
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Loqi rel-previous is the use of the HTML rel attribute on a hyperlink to the page previous to the current page with the value of "prev" or "previous" to provide a way for consuming code to discover that link and navigate to it to show content previous to the current page; like a monthly archive page linking to the previous month, or a link from a homepage with a stream to an archive page of previous posts in the stream https://indieweb.org/rel-prev
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sknebel microformats wiki says " Refers to the previous document in an ordered series of documents. Some user agents also support the synonym "Previous". with the HTML4 spec as source, WHATWG html5 says "Synonyms: For historical reasons, user agents must also treat the keyword "previous" like the prev keyword."
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sknebel I'll swap the two around so rel-previous redirects to rel-prev and add a section with that info?
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[tantek] good catch and sounds right. go for it!
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[tantek] if you just move the page to the correct location, the move should take care of the swap
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GWG Should that be in the head or on a visible link?
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[schmarty] GWG I believe either should work
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GWG Any pro or con? Does anything consume?
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snarfed GWG: use the wiki, luke :P https://indieweb.org/rel-prev#See_Also
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[tantek] GWG, visible links are always preferred
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GWG I was looking under navigation
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[Vincent] Webmentions question, I spotted some of my webmentions from Swarm now contain an ID “wm-id”. Is this Swarm specific, or is it coming from Webmention.io ?
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snarfed [Vincent]: i assume you mean from https://ownyourswarm.p3k.io/
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: doesn't bridgy also use rel-prev/next for feed pages?
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[tantek] [aaronpk] OYG question, I noticed Instagram now supports alt text on photos, is OYG providing that alt text in its micropub posts? https://www.engadget.com/2018/11/28/instagram-alt-text-visually-impaired/
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: nope, just first page iirc
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KartikPrabhu hmmm
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aaronpk now that the alt text for microformats has been incorporated into the spec i can do that
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 1 day, 15 hours ago: does OwnYourGram support retrieving the alt text from Instagram posts (https://www.engadget.com/2018/11/28/instagram-alt-text-visually-impaired/) and passing it along with the image to micropub?
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aaronpk i'll need to think about how to roll it out though, since it's going to be a breaking change for peoples' micropub endpoints
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[Vincent] [snarfed] sorry yes
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[tantek] aaronpk I thought micropub already had this in 1.0 since it was an issue we had to resolve address the a11y review
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sknebel it had, but apropos: can you make an editorial change removing this warning? https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#json-syntax-p-10
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sknebel or are all changes blocked with the end of the WG?
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[tantek] sknebel, it is possible. file an issue to remove it on the spec
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[tantek] if we can produce an updated REC with purely editorial changes, W3C staff can publish it on our behalf
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[tantek] that's a handy part of the process that allows for at least *some* maintenance
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[tantek] also good catch!
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sknebel https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/115
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Loqi [sknebel] #115 warning about microformats2 alt-text format can be removed
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[tantek] sometimes I'm tempted to put a special "www." handler (when there's no referer) Apache rule that redirects to a "Y U TYPE WWW WHEN U NO NEED TO" page
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pstuifzand !tell [schmarty] the unread int/bool bug is fixed by the latest commit of ek
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu lol
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[schmarty] pstuifzand: nice! and thanks!
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pstuifzand It seems I missed a few cases, but the `channels` command works as expected.
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@rubygems authorization-endpoint (0.1.4): Discover a URL’s authorization endpoint for use with Micropub and IndieAuth clients. https://rubygems.org/gems/authorization-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1080930441002213376)
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@rubygems redirect-uri (0.1.1): Discover a URL’s registered callback URLs for use with Micropub and IndieAuth clients. https://rubygems.org/gems/redirect-uri (twitter.com/_/status/1080932532642897921)
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[smerrill] i stuffed all my Tweet archives into Hugo data files, instead of one-file-per-tweet, and my Hugo build times went from 15 seconds to 1.5. Huzzah!
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@rubygems token-endpoint (0.1.3): Discover a URL’s token endpoint for use with Micropub and IndieAuth clients. https://rubygems.org/gems/token-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1080935199456808961)
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@rubygems webmention-verification (0.1.2): Verify a received webmention. https://rubygems.org/gems/webmention-verification (twitter.com/_/status/1080936095037181952)
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@rubygems webmention-endpoint (2.0.2): Discover a URL’s Webmention endpoint. https://rubygems.org/gems/webmention-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1080938215316639751)
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sknebel jacky: why?
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jacky my microformats parser doesn't expect / understand them
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jacky or rather the one I'm using
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sknebel huh, which one?
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jacky it feels a bit yak-shavy when I have to go in and patch things to work
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jacky it's the one written in Elixir; https://github.com/ckruse/microformats2-elixir
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Loqi [ckruse] microformats2-elixir: Microformats2 parser in Elixir
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sknebel ah
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jacky I'm adding some logic to Koype to detect and resolve relative and absolute h-cards if it's not an inline one
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sknebel can't contribute a fix to the parser instead?
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jacky I will - using my project to dogfood the solution
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jacky (it's easier for me to test in-line!)
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jacky but I think I can def work on the other thing I reported in it: https://github.com/ckruse/microformats2-elixir/issues/3
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Loqi [jalcine] #3 Use More Specific `h-${prop}` matching
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jacky that caused some problems with my page since my CSS framework uses `h-` as a prefix for CSS classes
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sknebel just commented on that
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sknebel generally, a parser should/must not do anything that's specific to specific types or properties, parsing is generic
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@rubygems webmention-cli (0.1.1): A command-line interface for Webmention. https://rubygems.org/gems/webmention-cli (twitter.com/_/status/1080950727596523521)
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sknebel (exception is compatibility code for microformats1, that's specific to the microformats1 types)
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jacky hmm looking at that link you've added: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parse_a_document_for_microformats
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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jacky my class name issue would still occur
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jacky I'd have to actively ignore some entries but not rely on the parser to do that
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jacky That actually works with me tbh since I got an abstraction between that library and how Koype handles MF2
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sknebel which ones would collide?
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sknebel the h-100 etc don't match that pattern
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jacky there's no mention what to ignore for `h-` on that wiki afaics
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sknebel I quoted the exact bit in my response
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jacky hmm maybe I'm not understanding it
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jacky so like `h-x100-entry` is valid but `h-100` wouldn't be
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sknebel yes
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jacky interesting
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jacky thanks for that clarification!
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sknebel only vendor prefixes are allowed digits, and there can be only one vendor prefix, and there has to be an [a-z] block after a vendor prefix
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jacky yeah https://github.com/ckruse/microformats2-elixir/blob/master/lib/microformats2.ex#L47 doesn't do that check at all
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jacky looks like I might have some weekend patching
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sknebel also weird with the links, to me it looks like there is a function for turning a url to absolute, but it maybe doesn't work right?
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jacky yeah it's expecting a <base> it seems on the page
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jacky but not a lot of people use that (or specify one)
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sknebel but it also takes a base_url as input
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jacky which I provide but it seems to not use
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jacky tests would help with this
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jacky more time on the weekend
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snarfed testing++
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