#dev 2020-02-11

2020-02-11 UTC
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[jgmac1106] What is vote?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "vote" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "vote is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] What is poll?
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Loqi question is a post type for soliciting answer replies, which are then typically up/down voted by others and then displayed underneath the question post ordered by highest positive vote count rather than time ordered https://indieweb.org/poll
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@AJKandy ↩️ Just like that? Nice. Then may I suggest adding a handy preformatted link to Tweet-vote each suggestion? As a user, I care about accomplishing the task of voting; I do not care about the back-end mechanism, whether it be webmentions, the electric telegraph, or carrier pigeons. (twitter.com/_/status/1227022992888086528)
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aaronpk Whoa cool!!
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aaronpk https://webwewant.fyi/voting/
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aaronpk > We don’t want to require you to have an account on this site because (frankly) we have no interest in your personal information. We also want you to own your vote, so we opted to use webmentions as our voting system.
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aaronpk You can bookmark or like a page and send a webmention and that counts as a vote!
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ But what if something like webmentions is the web we want? Important ethos. If browsers could fix anything they shouldn't be read only. In any browser I should be able to go to up file>new>post and publish to my website. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1mXXKh) (twitter.com/_/status/1227024684832698369)
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@aaronpk ↩️ This is a very cool use of webmention! Can I make a suggestion to add some minimal h-entry microformats so that when someone wants to show the page they liked it can show more than just the URL? Here's an example of what it looks like on my site right now. https://aaronparecki.com/likes (twitter.com/_/status/1227026004171870208)
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[jgmac1106] webmention << https://webwewant.fyi/voting/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://webwewant.fyi/voting/" to the "See Also" section of /Webmention https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68321&oldid=67895
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[jgmac1106] question << https://webwewant.fyi/voting/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://webwewant.fyi/voting/" to the "See Also" section of /question https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68322&oldid=62561
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@AJKandy ↩️ I didn't say that webmentions were bad per se. (Even if it feels like Sitemeter 3.0, but w/e) I'm saying that if you want to get feedback from people who aren't coders, make it easier for them to contribute. Lower the barriers. If you can tweet to vote, then add a button! (twitter.com/_/status/1227026579886206981)
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aaronpk There literally is a button there
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk oh no it's using webmention.io to receive webmentions haha!
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[jgmac1106] aarongustafon has his finger prints all over this
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[jgmac1106] its awesome, but how are they getting webmentions from facebook button?
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@AJKandy ↩️ My point is, the instructions on how to participate, to a non-coder, felt complicated and/or intimidating. Webmentions is a mechanism that I, as a user, shouldn't really have to understand or even know about. Just tell me "Tweet this URL." That's all. (twitter.com/_/status/1227028002673815557)
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aaronpk This looks like a good opportunity to update our docs on the pages they link to
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I 100% agree. Need to think about access as equity & accessibility issue. Looks like social media share buttons on each issue people looking for ower barrier could just click twitter" to vote. Users don't need to know it is webmentions (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1yDQ7h) (twitter.com/_/status/1227028342945320960)
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[jgmac1106] an even better time for a not-it emoji
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk You like writing guides! Go for it!
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[jgmac1106] for stuff I know, I have to learn to implement, receive, and display...well actually they aren't even displaying just collecting in webmention.io
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[jgmac1106] [aaronpk] just fork it and file a PR with the microformats
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aaronpk I dunno if I know how... it's using Eleventy and I don't know anything about that
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[jgmac1106] ohhh yeah I just looked everything is in markdown
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[jgmac1106] they make the votes public: https://github.com/WebWeWant/webwewant.fyi/blob/master/_cache/webmentions.json
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[jgmac1106] lot of cool ideas so far
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[jgmac1106] my vote: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/20DRJz
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] I want a read AND write browser I should be able to connect a browser to my website, then go up to File, select new, choose my post type and hit publish. I should be able to react and publish to my site from pages I visit.
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aaronpk Did you submit it to their site via their markdown thingy?
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aaronpk I don't think they take ideas via webmention, just votes. Tho that'd be cool too
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[jgmac1106] They are going to get the webmention regardless if they accept ideas that way
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[jgmac1106] yeah...but it was just a sentence...I poked around the layouts, components, and pages to see it, and left with a reminder of why I like reading HTML
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[jgmac1106] that reminds me should bridgy represent a reply to another website in a Tweet? you do lose the reply context..I should have replied to the tweet as well
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[snarfed] [jgmac1106] short answer: no. discussion in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/896#issuecomment-552018587 and its links
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Loqi [snarfed] hi! yes, that's right. bridgy currently only allows POSSEing a reply if it replies to a post on the same silo. this is intentional; discussion in #362. from that issue: > people also often try to use bridgy publish to POSSE a reply to a tweet but ...
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[jgmac1106] I knew you would reply with the issue that probably ends in keep bridgy stupid..havent read it yet
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@swyx ↩️ ahh ok so leaving trails for future people tearing their freaking hair out... there is are 2 undocumented query params that http://webmention.io amusingly fails to mention... https://github.com/maxboeck/eleventy-webmentions/blob/master/_data/webmentions.js#L32-L37 a "page" and "page since" param s/o to @brob for the save (twitter.com/_/status/1227054931988840448)
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@aaronpk ↩️ Sorry, the docs on http://webmention.io are meant more as a quickstart. The readme on GitHub has the full details https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/blob/master/README.md#paging If you think that'd be better on the website please send a PR! (twitter.com/_/status/1227055616067170304)
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[dmitshur] Never a dull moment when self-hosting hehe
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[dmitshur] https://twitter.com/dmitshur/status/1227000562669015040
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@dmitshur I’m aware that the server hosting my personal website is down right now. I expect the service to be restored in a few hours. If you’re looking to fetch modules from it, you can use the Go module mirror at https://proxy.golang.org in the meantime. Sorry for the inconvenience. (twitter.com/_/status/1227000562669015040)
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[dmitshur] (it’s fixed by now)
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[Michael_Beckwit [dmitshur] imagine powering your server via solar panels
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[Michael_Beckwit https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/
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[LewisCowles] [Michael_Beckwith] ++
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@mxbck ↩️ Ah yes, the "per-page" and "since" params can help. I use them in combination with a cache file that can be periodically updated, so only the most recent mentions need to be fetched. See https://github.com/maxboeck/mxb/blob/master/src/data/webmentions.js (twitter.com/_/status/1227146859346526208)
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@mxbck ↩️ Oh btw - is there a way to request *all* webmentions for a domain? The per-page=99999 thing feels a bit like a hack ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1227149839638679554)
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@vform The Web We Want https://webwewant.fyi/ Also interesting voting system (https://webwewant.fyi/voting/) "We also want you to own your vote, so we opted to use webmentions as our voting system." (twitter.com/_/status/1227190905284841473)
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@vform Btw. https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1227191154455842823)
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jeremycherfas Thanks sknebel++
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jeremycherfas On the question of e-content vs e-summary, at the moment I have a single div that displays the summary if summary!=content and the content if summary==content. That div has class e-content.
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jeremycherfas I'm going to try adding a div inside the logic with the correct class.
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jeremycherfas There's not much I can do about the h-card being on every item in the feed without a major re-write of the twig template partials.
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jeremycherfas https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/tag:Fiction sees content and summary as identical, but I think that is OK. Not sure what else I could do.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas !tell sknebel Re "the author is only a child, not an author property" I wonder whether that is because my h-card contains `<data>` elements. I don't know whether that would make a difference to how it is parsed.
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jeremycherfas OK, wait. I have put the h-card on every page. That works much better. Thanks for the inspiration.
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jeremycherfas I hope I haven't messed up.
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Zegnat What is h-full? A class from your CSS?
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jeremycherfas Unfortunately, yes.
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Zegnat Oh well, ignorable
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jeremycherfas I think when we discussed it a few months ago I got the impression it didn't matter because parsers ignore things they do not understand.
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Zegnat I am not seeing any author information though, at least not on the tag feed page.
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Zegnat Indeed. Just means I need to know to ignore it when looking at the parser output of your site ;)
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jeremycherfas I see h-card here https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/tag:Fiction
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Zegnat There is an h-card, but nothing telling me that h-card is the author of the posts
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Zegnat Or do we just assume that to be the case under authorship?
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Zegnat What is authorship?
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Loqi authorship is an algorithm that determines the author of a post https://indieweb.org/authorship
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Zegnat No, looks like for the discovery algorithm to wotk, the h-entry needs to have an author property that is a link to your homepage. Then the h-card can be used given it too links to your homepage with its url property.
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@isabelacmor ↩️ I’ve found adding a twitter webmentions has been a good in-between. Less conducive to spam, but still shows meaningful interactions with the post (ex: https://isabela.dev/posts/how-to-write-a-great-resume-intro/) (twitter.com/_/status/1227239643269058561)
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jeremycherfas !tell Zegnat I've used the empty link approach `<a class="u-author" href="/"></a>` to point to the h-card on my home page, and as far as I can tell that now works on tag pages, post pages and the home page. But is an empty link of that sort bad practice in any way?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat jeremycherfas: I would say it is somewhat bad practice because browser may still let you keyboard-navigate to it and it may be read by screenreaders.
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Loqi Zegnat: jeremycherfas left you a message 1 minute ago: I've used the empty link approach `<a class="u-author" href="/"></a>` to point to the h-card on my home page, and as far as I can tell that now works on tag pages, post pages and the home page. But is an empty link of that sort bad practice in any way?
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jeremycherfas I know I've done this dance before, which was why I ended up with `<data>` elements in an h-card. But I have p-name in that card. Could I have p-author? I don't think that would help.
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Zegnat No, you would want it inside the articles
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Zegnat That way the h-entry will have an author property linking to your homepage
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jeremycherfas What, precisely, would I want inside the articles? That's the bit I'm not getting. There's no need to display me as author because I am the only author. Gregorlove used to have his h-card invisible, but no longer does.
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jeremycherfas When I just had the h-card inside the articles, it was not being parsed as an h-card. So do I need to add something to it to ensure that it is seen as an h-card?
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jeremycherfas It currently contains
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jeremycherfas <div class="h-card">
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jeremycherfas <data class="u-url" value="https://jeremycherfas.net"></data>
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jeremycherfas <data class="u-photo" value ="https://www.jeremycherfas.net/user/themes/tailwind/images/zoot.jpg"></data>
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jeremycherfas <data class="p-name" value="Jeremy Cherfas"></data>
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jeremycherfas <data class="u-email" value="mailto:jcherfas@fastmail.fm"></data>
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jeremycherfas </div>
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[jgmac1106] Tumblr experimental feture that automatically replaces your words with emoji. In the screen shot you see the word OK and key becoming an emoji
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Zegnat jeremycherfas: if you have that HTML as part of your h-entry, all you needed was a u-author class on the <div class="h-card">
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Zegnat Thus <div class="u-author h-card">
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Zegnat That would tell the parser that the h-card is not just a child, but is the contents of the h-entry’s author property
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jeremycherfas Let me do that.
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Zegnat Sorry, had to abbandon chat for work ;)
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jeremycherfas No prob
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jeremycherfas I thought u- had to be on something with a url, rather than on something that might have a url nested in it.
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Zegnat So whether you use u- or some other mf2 prefix is actually up to you. It defines the fallback for applications to use in case they do not understand the nested h-card
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Zegnat if you use p-author it will take the p-name from h-card as the fallback. I just like to use the URL as fallback.
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jeremycherfas I see. Thanks.
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Zegnat Once I get home I can have another look at the actual result mf2 :)
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jeremycherfas Cool.
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jeremycherfas Well, I am, now seeing author as a property, so that is great.
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jeremycherfas Zegnat++
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sknebel You could also do the "empty link" with a days element if you wanted btw
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Loqi sknebel: jeremycherfas left you a message 4 hours, 13 minutes ago: Re "the author is only a child, not an author property" I wonder whether that is because my h-card contains `<data>` elements. I don't know whether that would make a difference to how it is parsed.
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sknebel I think that tell has been answered - it wasn't marked as the author + with p-author or u- author)
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[jgmac1106] !mf2 https://jgregorymcverry.com/mypoetry#featuredpoems
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[jgmac1106] oops put the id on an h-entry and not the h-feed
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[jgmac1106] !mf2 https://jgregorymcverry.com/mypoetry#featuredpoems
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Kaja_____ https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Fmypoetry%23featuredpoems
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[jgmac1106] Can anyone tell me why that is picking up a different h-feed on the page?
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[jgmac1106] Gonna just record my online demo bc it is late and I want one up there but I can't figure out what I am doing wrong
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sknebel I don't understand the question
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[jgmac1106] I am trying to use Granary to to make an RSS feed for just the h-feed I have on the div with the id of featured poems,
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[jgmac1106] but it is picking up a different h-feed for the id audiopoems
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[jgmac1106] I thought maybe I missed a closing div somewhere leading the feeds to bleed into each other but I haven't found one yet
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[jgmac1106] yeah
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[snarfed] oh [jgmac1106] you're trying to use a fragment to instruct granary (and maybe other tools) to use just a specific part of a page?
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[jgmac1106] or if there is another way to say just convert this specific h-feed on the page let me know
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[snarfed] that's unusual. granary doesn't support that, nor does bridgy. i don't know that it's an established technique, or that mf2 parsing etc have specific rules on handling fragments specifically
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[snarfed] i definitely get the use case, it's just not a standard technique that tools widely support yet afaik
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[snarfed] it's definitely been requested here and there though, eg https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/445
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Loqi [csarven] #445 publish: support fragment for identifying individual entry
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[jgmac1106] which probably means all the rss feeds on my homepage are wrong
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[snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/681
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Loqi [OliverJAsh] #681 listen: support hash/fragment permalinks to entries inside feeds
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[jgmac1106] that issue is a sepeate issue with Bridgy, I wish it would recognize fragements for pages with short notes so I could do one file rather than having a permalink for each entry
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[snarfed] right. i gave them as examples that this broader idea, directing tools to do things with specific elements of pages, has been requested
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[jgmac1106] I was mistaken though and thought I could use granary with fragments to specify an h-feed
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[snarfed] i'm not aware of many (any?) indieweb tools that actually do it right now though
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[snarfed] do you know any?
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[jgmac1106] none, it was my mistake, now goes to look if he messed up all the rss feeds on his homepage.....ohhh wait only one h-feed on my homepage, all other granary links point to feeds in other plaxes
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[jgmac1106] places*
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[jgmac1106] I know people have multiple h-feeds on a page, must use their CMS to generate rss or atom feeds or just ignore other types of feeds
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[snarfed] right
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[jgmac1106] thx will convert page into a single h-feed for now
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[snarfed] feel free to file a feature request!
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aaronpk The PHP parser supports fragments
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[snarfed] interesting. what does it do? only parse that element? and ignore the rest of the page?
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Zegnat Only parses from that point in the DOM, I believe
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sknebel Wasn't that in xray?
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Zegnat Which is actually too bad. XRay uses it, IIRC, and it meant that it no longer picked up on my author property within the parent h-feed
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Zegnat As the parent h-feed was never parsed by the mf2 parser
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sknebel The parsers start to expose the the id element in the output
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sknebel To allow downstream tools to do that better
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Zegnat !xray https://grapefruit.zegnat.net/2018/04.html#dt201804141608Z
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sknebel Although I'd need to check which parsers actually have releases supporting that yet
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Loqi Sebastiaan and I were on a philosophy bender, apparently. One of the concepts to come out of it is the head cache. When you have filed something in the back of your mind for future use. The problem, just like with a computer cache, is that ...
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Zegnat Loqi does pick up the note content, but not the author
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Zegnat Because above parsing limitation
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[jgmac1106] !xray https://jgregorymcverry.com/mypoetry#featuredpoems
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Kaja_____ https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Fmypoetry%23featuredpoems
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Zegnat jeremycherfas: author looks good on that tag feed page now! I am asuming you use the same code everywhere you render articles? Then author is fixed!
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Zegnat jeremycherfas++
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[jgmac1106] !xray https://jgregorymcverry.com/mypoetry#audiopoems
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Kaja_____ https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Fmypoetry%23audiopoems
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Zegnat Looks like XRay manages the feeds, [jgmac1106]
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Zegnat Kaja++ for having a bang that Loqi does not have, I just used it assuming it existed :P
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[jgmac1106] filed the issue requesting granary support, will pull the rss feeds from the site for now
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[jgmac1106] thanks everyone!!
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[jgmac1106] !xray jgregorymcverry.com/resume.html
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[jgmac1106] !mf2 jgregorymcverry.com/resume.html
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[jgmac1106] hmmm...one more thing to hunt down and fix, time to close chat or i will get no work done
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[jgmac1106] !mf2 !xray jgregorymcverry.com/resume
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[jgmac1106] ggrrrr
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[jgmac1106] !mf2 https://jgregorymcverry.com/resume
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@vform Ok, endlich mal Schritt für Schritt. Also ich kann * Webmentions empfangen: via https://webmention.io/ (generisch nehm ich an unter https://webmentions.verweisungsform.de/) * Webmentions (hübsch) erstellen https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/30/11/your-first-webmention * Webmentions versenden https://telegraph.p3k.io/send-a-webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1227282798441926656)
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[daveymoloney] Hi everyone. I'm an Indigenous on Android user, love it. Had been having some authorization/token issues for the past few weeks but that appears to have been resolved today. I noticed when i regained access to my account on Indigenous today that none of my syndication links are being displayed in the app when i want to post. Checked on my site and all syndication links are there, it just looks like Indigenous can't see them right now.
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[daveymoloney] Have tried refreshing Endpoints within Accounts option but that hasn't worked. Any advice much appreciated.
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jamietanna[m] !tell snarfed I should be on track to have the Bridgy PR sorted tonight (UK time) - if you're happy with it, do you expect it being live today? Or after we merge there's still a few things to do? Just thinking about documentation changes and whether I let them hold back the core code, or if it doesn't really matter
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Yup, sknebel, thanks to help from Zegnat
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jamietanna[m] [daveymoloney] I'd recommend killing the app fully and trying again, in case it needs to restart. Also what are you using for your Micropub server? Have you tried using the Indigenous `Send access token in body` setting, in case your hosting provider is blocking `Authorization` header? I'd say its also worth raising an issue on the repo so we can dig into it a bit more
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jeremycherfas Twig partial templates FTW.
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jeremycherfas @xray https://www.alwaysownyourplatform.com/
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jeremycherfas !xray https://www.alwaysownyourplatform.com/
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jeremycherfas That's kind of interesting. And a bit sad.
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[daveymoloney] @jamietanna[m] Thanks Jamie. I killed the app and restarted a few times but that didn't work so i removed my account and tried to log back in again but am repeatedly getting authentication error status 401 now. Aperture is the microsub server I'm using. Had been having issues for the past while authenticating to other microsub clients (Monocle and Together) but managed to login again to all successfully today so thoguht it was resolved.
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[daveymoloney] I'm with Reclaim Hosting. Will raise an issue on the repo if this persists
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[jgmac1106] JeremyCherfas yeah better to give a h/t to those who own their platform rather than calling out those who don't
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jeremycherfas Without telling pointing out, of course, that it really isn't a /platform
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[snarfed] jamietanna hey, great! i'm happy to merge without docs, but yeah, we need them (and delete) before we can deploy to prod
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Loqi [snarfed]: jamietanna[m] left you a message 26 minutes ago: I should be on track to have the Bridgy PR sorted tonight (UK time) - if you're happy with it, do you expect it being live today? Or after we merge there's still a few things to do? Just thinking about documentation changes and whether I let them hold back the core code, or if it doesn't really matter
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jamietanna[m] Okey dokey - I'll get them all in together then 🙃
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jamietanna[m] Snarfed and once that's done, is it fairly straightforward to get it live? Hoping to get a blog post ready for when it's live, and I realise you're busy too so knowing rough timelines would be appreciated!
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[snarfed] yes! deploying is easy
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[snarfed] are you expecting to do the multiplexing thing to support multiple UI flows with the single redirect url? ie signup, interactive publish, and delete?
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[snarfed] there are existing examples in the codebase, but still, that will take some effort
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[LewisCowles] [jeremycherfas] owning your own platform without machine-consumable data is still a step further than paying Wix or hosting on facebook, twitter etc
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[snarfed] facebook and twitter are different than wix. wix is a web host that lets you use your own domain, which is key for indieweb.
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[snarfed] ie wix is a https://indieweb.org/web_hosting#Custom_domain_silos
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[jgmac1106] snarfed but wix does not let you export your content, which is anti-indieweb
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[LewisCowles] [jgmac1106] ++
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Loqi [jgmac1106] has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (86 in all channels)
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[LewisCowles] it’s also a license violating PoS
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[snarfed] [jgmac1106] ok! if that's true, then yes, that's unfriendly. still, it's a web host, not a social network, if an unfriendly one
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[Michael_Beckwit agree to agree that it’s a micro-step as compared to a babystep?
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[jgmac1106] ohh yeah, wix is better than no wix, just feel bad for people who get locked down
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[jgmac1106] What is Wix?
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Loqi Wix is a point-and-click website creation service https://indieweb.org/Wix
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[jgmac1106] snarfed here is another reason I want granary to recognize fragments, trying to remove all my video content from YouTube and allow people to subscribe on a per show basis: https://jgregorymcverry.com/myvideos
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[jgmac1106] "Your Wix site and all of its content is hosted exclusively on Wix's servers, and cannot be exported elsewhere."
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[snarfed] spiderpig might disagree 😎
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[jgmac1106] spiderpig++
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Loqi spiderpig has 1 karma over the last year
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[LewisCowles] Oh man I hope they have Homer simpson gifs
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[jgmac1106] was that naming before or after the Simpsons Movie?
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[jgmac1106] jinx
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GWG Howdy
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[jgmac1106] What is spiderpig?
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Loqi Spiderpig is a web crawler for archiving a website as static HTML files https://indieweb.org/Spiderpig
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[jgmac1106] spiderpig << https://media.giphy.com/media/R3tHUypTIfmFi/giphy.gif
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Loqi ok, I added "https://media.giphy.com/media/R3tHUypTIfmFi/giphy.gif" to the "See Also" section of /Spiderpig https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68330&oldid=39009
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[jgmac1106] okay I know that is prolly wrong, but how could I not
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[LewisCowles] Never wrong to bring smiles and sunshine into the world
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[LewisCowles] I have a question on idno/known
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[LewisCowles] I’ve got it in a really good place with Heroku
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[jgmac1106] ....oooh excited...since I will be doing a ton of installs....
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[LewisCowles] but sadly it still needs more work. Is there a dev or contributor willing to work with me to get tickets actioned, before I lose context?
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[jgmac1106] ask in #knownchat or hit [mapkyca] directly on Twitter, he is best on Sundays though UTC-1 time
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[LewisCowles] Things I’d like to get rid of / change
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[LewisCowles] • email setup in heroku (currently done nothing on this)
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[LewisCowles] • config.ini as a requirement (can use that or pull from .ini files)
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[LewisCowles] • poor behaviour when behind proxy (patch written)
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[LewisCowles] • s3 approach (PR submitted)
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[LewisCowles] Thanks [jgmac1106]
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GWG [LewisCowles]: I sympathize
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[LewisCowles] It seems heavily optimized for shared-servers
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[LewisCowles] but it does look amazing when setup
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[jgmac1106] maybe even see if the Collective would support the work, like I said I would have no problem paying anyone to get us closer to one button install....@benatwork is fiduciary responsibility
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[LewisCowles] over 200k lines deleted to get S3 working lol
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[jgmac1106] I hired [mapkyca] to help with OAuth and SSO with Known, and build a course builder plugin...A heroku based S3 install be awesome, I could maybe help fund if you need help. My goal is to be able to charge seat license and give 50% to collective
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[snarfed] to be fair that was just the AWS SDK that was oddly vendored directly into the repo
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[jgmac1106] are you talking the s3 data storage plugin or something in idno core?
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[LewisCowles] Yeah I know. Most of the other files got deleted too
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[snarfed] loc change wasn't really that meaningful 😁
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[LewisCowles] pretty meaningful as it doesn’t work without 😛
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[jgmac1106] So glad Erin convinced Ben to move away from the name Idno.......
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GWG [snarfed]: Where did Bridgy pick up link rel=feed as noted in the docs? Do you remember the genesis?
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[snarfed] OPD in general? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/125 . or rel=feed specifically? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/pull/132 , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/172
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Loqi [kylewm] #125 consider techniques for original post discovery that do not require a backlink/citation
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GWG Thanks, I am going to write post on feed discovery
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@Cambridgeport90 ↩️ @6loss Does TT-RSS have indieweb support? I have heard of it, though I didn't think it's a native Microsub server? (twitter.com/_/status/1227307603501494272)
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[tantek] goodness sakes backscroll. y'all have been on 🔥🔥
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GWG [tantek]: Activity happens
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[tantek] !tell aaronpk plz add any wiki pages you want "updated" or "refreshed" to /to-do like even with the < < operator and add the link of the page that links to them for the context of *why* they might need an update (for what new audience). and then !tell tantek /to-do#See_Also here 🙂
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[Michael_Beckwit we’re at the pub of activity? :troll:
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[tantek] (I know that was kinda meta, however that was meant in the context of the webmention voting thing)
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@Pauho ↩️ @jgmac1106 a post by Greg McVerry Bravo! Also posted to: * http://brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/1227326356377231360)
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[tantek] jeremycherfas++ for apparently doing a photo post per day thing in at least February 2020!
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Loqi jeremycherfas has 10 karma in this channel over the last year (28 in all channels)
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@steveivy First Goldfrog Webmention in Public (http://monkinetic.blog/2020/02/11/first-goldfrog-webmention-in-public) #indieweb #goldfrog (twitter.com/_/status/1227328179230138374)
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[jeremycherfas] That’s for micro.blog, which is doing a 30-day challenge with a prompt per day. There’s a hashtag but I cannot remember it and do not use it myself because Known has problems with hashtags in its feeds.
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[tantek] [jeremycherfas] I also noticed that I could only go as far back as https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/content/photos/?offset=550 to see actual photos. When I click "Older" at the bottom of the page, the offset=560 page does not render any photos for me. Verify?
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[tantek] Now checking [benatwork]’s site similarly
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[tantek] offest=560 works for him however 1000 doesn't
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[tantek] odd, different error, seeing photo stream pages with some photos missing
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[tantek] ok tracked his down. https://werd.io/content/photos/?offset=420 is the last page with all photos working. on the "older" page from that with offset=440, the last photo is not showing (and it shows alt text instead)
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[tantek] [jeremycherfas] are you able to see your photos on https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/content/photos/?offset=560 ? because I don't see any photos there (only alt text)
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[snarfed] aaronpk friendly ping! https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2020-02-06#t1581018166900400 . not urgent. lmk if you want me to file an issue to track.
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Loqi [[snarfed]] hey aaronpk any chance you still have the query you ran for me back in 2017 to collect all domains that wm.io had received a mention for? would you mind running it again? not urgent!
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jamietanna[m] Hey snarfed, I'm having some difficulty with delete - looking at the network tab in Firefox even when clicking Disable it seems to go through the authZ flow with Meetup 🤔
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[snarfed] right, that's intentional, it's how we check that you actually own the account
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[snarfed] other silos all work the same way
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[snarfed] hence my msg about multiplexing the single redirect url
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jamietanna[m] Even on the delete, though?
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jamietanna[m] Ah ok, so it works if I remove my multiplexing code
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jamietanna[m] So I've just done it wrong :D
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[snarfed] even on delete, so that random other people can't delete your account
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jamietanna[m] That makes sense
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[snarfed] maybe_add_or_delete_source() may do the hard work for you of multiplexing signup and delete. interactive publish is maybe the one you'll have to do real work for. i assume you'll put the operation requested by the user into state?
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@Cambridgeport90 ↩️ You're right. I was more curious regarding micropub/microsub support for a particular reader. That's the one that allows interactions from the feed reader itself. (twitter.com/_/status/1227343008695234560)
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@6loss ↩️ Aha, I should look into that - replying to posts is a tricky one currently, although a couple of us are playing with webmentions. I use an app which connects to the tt-rss server, but haven't seen anything microsubby in there. I imagine there's some overlap... (twitter.com/_/status/1227344108546613248)
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jamietanna[m] Hmm it looks like I've broken it some more. I may have to park it until tomorrow - if you're able to have a look and see if you can spot anything snarfed gimme a shout - but no worries if not
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@edelman215 ↩️ @a7sc11u Webmentions https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1227347980199563266)
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takev[m] By chance, is there a list of microformats parsing test cases that I can drop into my unit tests? I'm writing a parser in clojure.
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beko[m] there's this: https://github.com/microformats/tests
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Loqi [microformats] tests: Microformats test suite
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beko[m] May be aged :)
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takev[m] Lovely! Thank you.
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takev[m] Either way, it's a good start for this project. :)
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beko[m] 👍️
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sknebel takev[m]: also, feel free to ask for help in #microformats if things are unclear! (the tests also might have the occasional bug, so if something doesn't seem to make sense it might not be your fault...). And once you have something, it's a good idea to put up a page like php.microformats.io so people can try it out easily
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[snarfed] takev also https://github.com/snarfed/granary/tree/master/granary/tests/testdata
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takev[m] Thanks, both of you! I will be sure to post my results.
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GWG I think my brainstorming might go a bit far: https://david.shanske.com/2020/02/11/exploring-feed-discovery-and-markup/
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GWG I think I need to rewrite that as an algorithm, but I fear I am on the wrong track
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[Aaron_Klemm] Do modern IndieWeb tools require a domain name, specifically, or can it all be done on URLs? (e.g. OpenID used to work with a url, didn't require a domain). Looking at IndieAuth prompted this thought.
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aaronpk most things don't assume just a domain, IndieAuth specifically has a bunch of language describing these kinds of variations
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 2 hours, 9 minutes ago: plz add any wiki pages you want "updated" or "refreshed" to /to-do like even with the < < operator and add the link of the page that links to them for the context of *why* they might need an update (for what new audience). and then !tell tantek /to-do#See_Also here 🙂
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[tantek] it's a bit of #ownyourdata policy embedded in tools yes. if you don't own the domain then you don't actually own the data. thus requiring a domain works to encourage a more user-agency reinforcing policy
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aaronpk some tools do assume one user per domain but that's a decision they make for their own reasons
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aaronpk (good idea on the todo)
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@vincentlistens ↩️ @AaronGustafson @aaronpk @seaotta @AJKandy @css @webwewantfyi Great work! Loving the use of Webmentions for this! (twitter.com/_/status/1227359069918224384)
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