#dev 2021-04-01

2021-04-01 UTC
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@kkd ↩️ 今ならIndieAuth+Webmentionでもっと安全に実現できるんですけどプラットフォームに呑み込まれてしまってますね。 (twitter.com/_/status/1377484766925053956)
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@kkd ↩️ 少なくとも流行ってはないですねｗ Webmention対応していると記事内で他サイトの何かに言及すると勝手に言及元にWebmentionが飛んで言及されたことがわかるようにはなります。Twitter内でmentionされると分かるのに近いイメージ。 (twitter.com/_/status/1377511744520613889)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ We came up with a better replacement for those https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1377538417580457988)
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[schmarty] GWG: the thingiverse API has some major drawbacks
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GWG [schmarty]: Yes. I'm sure.
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[schmarty] for one, it does not make original size images available for download
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GWG I'm just starting with where to document the idea of wanting to post these things.
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GWG I can create a category like my play posts, where I have a very basic presentation
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GWG What is Thingiverse?
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Loqi Thingiverse is a popular silo for hosting 3D printable models https://indieweb.org/Thingiverse
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[schmarty] i also kind of hit a wall with realizing i had no reason to map thingiverse's representations directly onto my site.
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GWG For me, my proto-make post build will be an image of what I built, link to build file on Thingiverse, and maybe a note of why I built it
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[schmarty] so like a "make" post on my site has a photo an an in-reply-to as it if were a photo reply post. but i also added a "make-of" property just in case.
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GWG Yes, and that is what I wanted to make a wiki page for.
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GWG But not sure where on the wiki.
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GWG The /make and /build are something else.
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GWG Hmm.. construct?
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[schmarty] the make => build redirect was made 3 years ago
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GWG I figure that this would be something artists and other sorts of people building physical objects might want.
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[schmarty] unless there are objections, i think it's reasonable to replace the redirect at /make
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GWG !tell [tantek] You added the /make to /create redirect. Do you have any comments?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I checked and [tantek] added the redirect. Just wanted to see if he had an objection.
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GWG I think it makes sense.
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GWG Proposed definition - 'make' is a passive kind of post used to publish an item you have constructed, for example, a 3D printed item, work of art, etc.
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tomlarkworthy wow this auth server is hardwork, nearly got the first flow to Github working
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GWG tomlarkworthy: As I told someone last night, any time I work with auth, I'm worried about compromising someone's site. Doing auth right can be hard, but it is often worth it for peace of mind.
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[tantek] GWG, make we redirected to create because of the desire to make that aspect of indieweb more accessible to different audiences
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[tantek] both "make" and "create" are more inclusive than "build"
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[tantek] if you're talking about something specific for 3D printing, "make" is too general a word for that and I'd advise against it.
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GWG [tantek]: So, where would you put the concept of the type of post identified?
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GWG [tantek]: I'm generalizing to any physical act of creation.
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[tantek] premature generalization is bad for any kind of standardization
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GWG I'd like to document and brainstorm on that. At the moment, specifically for 3D printing, but I may construct other things in the future I want to show off.
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[tantek] there's infinite possible things you may want to do "in the future"
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[tantek] it's kinda pointless hypothesizing that abstractly
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[tantek] so for the moment a 3D printing is a 3D printing
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[tantek] start with that
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GWG So, you are suggesting I collect examples under /3D-Printing on the wiki? Fine with me for now.
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[tantek] lower case printing but yeah
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[tantek] it's not a proper known AFAIK
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GWG What is 3D printing?
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[tantek] good to pick very direct specific names for things to start with
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "3D printing" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "3D printing is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] premature abstraction tends to both confuse and be undiscoverable
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GWG 3D printing is the construction of a physical three dimensional object from a digital model using a computer controlled printer.
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Loqi ok
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GWG Regardless of what happens in future, I'd like to have something there. We have at least 2 examples of people posting things they printed with a 3d printer
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[tantek] sounds like enough to start an Indieweb Examples section!
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GWG Which I am typing.
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[tantek] GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 18 karma in this channel over the last year (137 in all channels)
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[tantek] that'll be a good new page for this week 🙂
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aaronpk i have some examples to post there too :)
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, I can also see a case for adding that as an example under /crafts as 3D printing and some of the examples on those pages may have things in common. There are also similarities with recipes as often these types of posts will have instructions that others can follow to create the same item/object/thing that you made.
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jacky x-posting from #microformats: https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2021-04-01#t1617299493505100 + https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2021-04-01#t1617299544611400
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Loqi [jacky] forgive me, but I forget what the consensus is around using `https://indieweb.org/a-page#link` to resolve the Microformats stored at the element #link on that page
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[tantek] FWIW all of my "old blog’s" posts were canonical by ID like that
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[tantek] within pages per Gregorian month
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[tantek] so I'm definitely interested in this discussion jacky
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GWG That seems to be a better term...crafting, then the generic make.
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GWG I may use that as my category
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[tantek] crafting also sounds very Portland 🙂
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jacky yeah, like a huge bulk of the content I have is reactionary (lol) like this
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jacky lol crafting reminds me of Minecraft (a happy place tbh)
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GWG [tantek]: Is that a good or a bad thing?
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[tantek] GWG, good for motivating the next in-person IWS 🙂
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[tantek] also I think IndieWeb attracts people who like to "craft" their website
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jacky re: coalescing reactions, I think doing this for things like likes et al would be ideal especially for those who use static sites (this could make that propagation a bit easier to manage)
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GWG Please don't start using artisinal
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[chrisaldrich] I'm always struck by how the words manufacture and manufacturing seem to have lost the semantic meaning of "make by hand" after the introduction of the Industrial Revolution.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, is that a plea to use bespoke instead? 🙂
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jacky wow I really never knew that [chrisaldrich]
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jacky like I thought it was implicitly associated with machines
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GWG I think I like craft, because it won't get confused with our existing make use.
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[tantek] hah artisanal web
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[tantek] that would have been a great rebranding for today 😈
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jacky ha
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jacky I can see the cursive typefaces
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[tantek] We've decided to recognize what we're really about and officially rebrand as the Artisanal Web Guild
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GWG aaronpk, [schmarty]: If you want to have at it, I put in a basic definition
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[tantek] jacky, indeed, with a fancy crest and secret symbols and everything
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[tantek] maybe even rings
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[chrisaldrich] That sarcastic website "selling" Twitter verification badges for one's house could be a good model? 😉
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[jeremycherfas] And then there’s manuscript ...
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GWG [tantek]: It could be a new indiewebring.
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[chrisaldrich] We do already have that manual until it hurts page. We'll have to modify it to get rid of the idea that anything should be automated, but otherwise we're well on our way. I can see the Robin Leach bumper already...
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GWG Someone get on this, I need a new symbol to put on hats and flags
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[tantek] chrisaldrich that joke house badges thing recently turned real
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[tantek] GWG, indeed, a physical IndieWeb ring
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[tantek] perhaps you could even ... 3D print it custom sized to the wearer
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[tantek] are there parameterized 3d print files like that? where you can enter a number and vary the size?
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[tantek] (at print time)
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GWG [tantek]: Not on my console, but you can do it in software and load different sized versions.
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GWG I'm still new at this though.
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GWG I'd defer
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[tantek] GWG, you realize if we had IndieWeb rings, we'd ask you to print them 😛
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GWG If I render the IWC logo in plastic, I'll tell you
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[schmarty] Rings printed to fit based on a person's finger measurements you say? nickelforscale.com
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tomlarkworthy >are there parameterized 3d print files like that? see https://www.openscad.org/
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[chrisaldrich] This sounds like a good reason to have your ring sizes marked up properly in microformats on your h-card... 💍
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sknebel that reminds me that I still owe Zegnat some ISO specs
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] sounds like you should propose that as an experimental property for h-card https://github.com/microformats/h-card/issues (see the h-entry issues for examples of proposed properties)
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Zegnat hmmm. Ring sizes. I don't think I know mine.
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Zegnat I have worn rings for well over a decade, but never thought to write down size, haha
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] in addition to the "want to use a 3D printing service to print me a ring" use-case, there's also the, "how do I subtly make that information available in case my partner is considering proposing and wants the info to buy a ring"
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[chrisaldrich] That was my problem too... My first thought was to see if Zegnat had done it yet. _Then and only then_ I thought, what exactly are my sizes...
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] you can start https://microformats.org/wiki/ring-size and collect examples of existing formats (if any), people actually publishing their ring sizes on the web, etc.
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[chrisaldrich] feels the warm glow of /Tantek-ing :tantek::fire:
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[tw2113_Slack_] wait, we’re all making our “one ring” from LotR now?
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@zenia2020 Kayaknya perlu juga dibuatkan tutorial untuk Blogspot. Temanku ada nanya soalnya Catatan menarik dari @dansvel https://dan.my.id/catatan/6-komentar-blog-statis-dengan-webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1377744569714929664)
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@dansvel Aku menulis catatan menarik tentang Webmention @dansvel https://dan.my.id/catatan/6-komentar-blog-statis-dengan-webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1377694626958565378)
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[KevinMarks] bridgy does webmention for blogspot, right? Indonesian translation for bridgy?
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[snarfed] lol, yes blogspot (if they’re signed up), no translation. PRs welcome!