#dev 2023-01-16

2023-01-16 UTC
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[tantek] definitely
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[tantek] so much so that I think we stopped suggesting people even bother trying
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Saphire Jeez
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@AxiomEval Thanks to some inspiration from the IndieWeb community (@aaronpk, @capjamesg, @tmichellemoore) I have added Webmention to my site - currently only replies which I'm finding useful for commenting when relevant on my own posts also. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1614903652518428673)
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[KevinMarks] https://hachyderm.io/@stargirl/109697057391904145
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Loqi [preview] [Stargirl] So You Want to Solve Python Packaging: A Practical GuideFirst, the technical: Python is used by vastly different groups of people, some that don't identify as "developers". Those groups often have disparate expectations about how packaging should wor...
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voxpelli @[tantek]: Any idea why your hashtags are not being parsed as hashtags in when syndicated to Mastodon?
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[snarfed] voxpelli it's an unsolved Mastodon mystery: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/45
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voxpelli [snarfed]: I guessed so! Interesting, is it known to be at Mastodon or ActivityPub level?
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voxpelli follows that issue bow but might not have time to read up on it right now
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[snarfed] almost certainly Mastodon
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[tantek] Curious if there are followers on other AP server software that doesn’t have this problem
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[tantek] [snarfed] and Barnaby you may be interested in https://searchtodon.social/Adventures-in-Mastoland.html
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[snarfed] 🍿 😢
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starrwulfe[m] snarfed: getting that same error Twitter still. Doesn’t happen if I manually preview and post link on bridgy dashboard
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starrwulfe[m] Error message:
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starrwulfe[m] Forbidden, publish is not enabled for StarrWulfe (Twitter) code 403
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starrwulfe[m] Is that something I need to enable I. Bridgy I guess? 🤔
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starrwulfe[m] s/I./in/
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starrwulfe[m] Of course it had been enabled but maybe it became undone due to “current API issues “
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[snarfed] ah, looks like a Bridgy bug, I'm not handling your twitter username case insensitive there. will look, sorry!
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starrwulfe[m] 😅 ah sweet mixed case ignorance! LOL
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starrwulfe[m] Thanks
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Zegnat I think the Searchtodon post mortem points out a lot of good stuff :)
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[Murray] I find it interesting how people always state that opt-in cannot work for certain types of projects or that people simply wouldn't ever opt-in in numbers large enough to make them work. It'd be slow, sure, but I think that's more of a "I want to work on this now, and I need data to do that" rather than a reality. I see a *lot* of people in certain communities on Mastodon asking for opt-in search to be a thing, for instance.
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[Murray] (especially with search, being one of the first to opt-in on a given subject would actually give you a major advantage in terms of reach 😄)
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[tantek] I stand by my Gmail analogy
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[tantek] wow how was that only two days ago: https://chat.indieweb.org/2023-01-14#t1673736978176100
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Loqi [preview] [[tantek]] the framing as a messaging service is kinda funny, because you've been able to search every email you've received since like forever
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] shared this post from Kellan https://laughingmeme.org/2023/01/16/software-and-its-discontents-part-1.html
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Loqi [preview] Software and its Discontents, January 2023, Part 1
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[tantek] While the context that is documented in that post (interest rates, pandemic) is accurate (these are matters of history), I completely disagree with the conclusions about the "causes" of said discontent, frustration, and disillusionment
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[tantek] I believe there are four actual causes, interrelated
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[tantek] 1 Twitter. By this I mean everything Derek Powazek said in Argument Machine and the logical extension of the existence of Twitter altering people’s incentives (social incentives are insanely strong) to be toward superficial ego inflation, rather than "stuff that works"
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[tantek] 2 Finbros reskinning themselves as Techbros post 2008 crash, mass migrating westward, bringing their "culture" with them, and finding out they had a receptive audience in VCs who shared much of a common language, and thus being able to "sell" themselves as knowing far beyond what they actually did. "Visions", "Thought Leadership" etc. just because they said so and knew what words to in a Powerpoint deck
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[tantek] (note the common factor, shifting to an ego-reward culture away from a "stuff that works" reward culture)
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[tantek] 3 Prioritizing "DX" (there's the ego thing again) over "UX", and cargo-culting amplified by, yes, Twitter. From "toolchains" to frameworks, there was a massive shift from simple tools that make "stuff that works" FOR USERS to complex tools (that sound good, that BigCos are using/shipping, that companies are hiring for) that most of all marginally made things "easier" for developers to make crap that sorta worked, slowly, unreliably,
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[tantek] unresiliently.
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[tantek] 4 Growing disconnect between making and using (told you there was an IndieWeb connection). All of that contributed to massive shift in software engineers (and the management that ordered them) making crappier & crappier stuff that "worked" worse & worse, which either they never bothered to use in the first place, or gave up using because that wasn't their job / what they were incentivized for, by their managers, CEOs, or peers on
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[tantek] Twitter.
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[tantek] ^ [KevinMarks] there's my response to IMO the poor reasoning in Kellan's essay where he completely fails to identify the IMO much stronger causes of "why software engineering has gotten less successful" (has become much crappier, made crappier things)
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[KevinMarks] The part about marketing metrics fits with what you're saying. But I think that you have a good response post there.
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[tantek] ok I'll sit on it before I post because there are several fights embedded in there 😂 🙈
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[tantek] tl;dr: amplifying ego is bad, amplifying empathy is good. one way to amplify empathy more than ego is to use what you make, then iterate and fix pain points, and make what you/we all need, and "go to" use what you make.
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[snarfed] starrwulfe that bridgy micropub bug should be fixed now, feel free to retry
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starrwulfe[m] Gimme a sec here
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starrwulfe[m] working but I'm just getting a link posted there again...
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starrwulfe[m] [snarfed] 😶
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starrwulfe[m] https://twitter.com/StarrWulfe/status/1615073405094559751
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@StarrWulfe - https://starrwulfe.xyz/1682-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1615073405094559751)
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starrwulfe[m] could it be because of the embedded picture?
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starrwulfe[m] OK, it worked... Kinda... I have another problem with microformats now. LOL... Let me fix that.
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[snarfed] yeah " - https://starrwulfe.xyz/1682-2/" is what WordPress sent in the content property of the Micropub request, so you'd want to look there
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@LumenPink RT @mauve@mastodon.mauve.moe It'd be cool if more sites supported WebMentions (or similar). For example, it'd be cool if I could have the handy features Github has where they inline references with backlinks, but across arbitrary domains. This'd make stuff like project (1/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1615104800240148483)
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[tantek] ^ hmm, where's the original
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[tantek] [dariusdunlap] no webmention endpoint on your WordPress posts? https://dariusdunlap.com/2023/01/take-control-of-your-online-life/