#dev 2023-09-11

2023-09-11 UTC
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[tantek] !tell [snarfed] is it expected Bridgy Fed behavior that a self-reply (threaded post) goes to zero people when it should literally be the same audience as top level posts? e.g. https://fed.brid.gy/log?path=%2F_ah%2Fqueue%2Fwebmention%2C%2Finbox&start_time=1694398958&key=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2023%2F253%2Ft3%2F%23bridgy-fed-create
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] !tell [snarfed] try two: is it expected Bridgy Fed behavior that a self-reply (threaded post) goes to zero people when it should literally be the same audience as top level posts? e.g. https://fed.brid.gy/log?path=%2F_ah%2Fqueue%2Fwebmention%2C%2Finbox&start_time=1694398958&key=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2023%2F253%2Ft3%2F%23bridgy-fed-create
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[snarfed] oh interesting, good question. afaik AP inbox delivery of replies is only to the OP's inbox, not to your followers, but I don't know about self replies, I suspect that's not specified
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[snarfed] I'm not sure how to follow the specs on this. https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#delivery says it's AS2 audience targeting, https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#audienceTargeting , and I can't find anywhere there that's normative for notes/articles with inReplyTo
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aaronpk I don't think that was ever really well thought out
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[snarfed] I'm also not sure what the most common user expectation of Bridgy Fed's behavior here would be, for a native reply via webmention from web to web
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[snarfed] on the one hand, we could say, it was entirely within a single protocol, so there's nothing for Bridgy Fed to do
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[snarfed] on the other hand, we could say, it did trigger BF via webmention, and it's a self reply, so they must want to deliver the reply to all followers on all protocols
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[snarfed] 🤷
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jeremycherfas Anyone happen to know if there is a single referrer agent in requests from Mastodon? I'd like to be able to track them.
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jeremycherfas To answer my own question, looks like there is: `Mastodon/4.x.x` followed by the specific instance.
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jeremycherfas And boy, are there a lot of them.
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[pfefferle] [snarfed] have you implemented the refreshtoken functionality of atproto?
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[snarfed] [pfefferle] no, I'm working at the protocol level, not the API level
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[snarfed] the auth stuff I've done has been generating and encoding keys, signing records, and generating inter-service JWTs
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btrem re: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2023-09-01#t1693533254808700 I also have front matter vocab that matches mf2. Specifically, a few months ago I started adding location to my photo posts, and use mf2 terms in my front matter. E.g. {"location": {"name": "U.S. National Arboretum", "adr": {"locality": "Washington","region": "D.C."}}}
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Loqi [preview] [[tantek]] since frontmatter conventions are nearly completely inconsistent, is there an opportunity to perhaps specify a microformats-based vocabulary and (micro)syntax for frontmatter as a proposed standard for frontmatter?
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btrem And, inspired by aaronpk++ 's example, I changed some other front matter items, e.g., "type: article" is now "type: entry" or "type: recipe". Bonus: it simplified my nunjucks templates. :)
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[tantek] nice! btrem++
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btrem Hmm, by karma didn't work. Let me try it again. aaronpk++
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btrem Better.
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aaronpk :)
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btrem Though I did cheat on some properties, e.g., `street-address` in mf2 is `street` in my front matter, and `country-name` is `country`. Because I'm lazy and want to type as little as possible when I'm writing yaml. ;-)
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btrem But if a standard were established, I could probably be persuaded to type the extra characters.
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[tantek] !tell snarfed I wonder if Bridgy Fed should be more "promiscuous" with replies than it is now, because it seems better to send more out and let folks ignore/mute things they don't want. E.g. a self-reply (tootstorm?) should be delivered to every follower. a reply to an event page somewhere else (not on Mastodon etc.) should also be delivered to everyone following, because what else could you as a publisher mean by asking Bridgy Fed
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] to publish it?
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[snarfed] ahhh promiscuity, topic of endless debates in Bridgy classic. almost comforting that we're having similar debates in Bridgy Fed 😆
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Loqi [snarfed]: [tantek] left you a message 1 minute ago: I wonder if Bridgy Fed should be more "promiscuous" with replies than it is now, because it seems better to send more out and let folks ignore/mute things they don't want. E.g. a self-reply (tootstorm?) should be delivered to every follower. a reply to an event page somewhere else (not on Mastodon etc.) should also be delivered to everyone following, because what else could you as a publisher mean by asking Bridgy Fed
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[snarfed] yeah I think I agree. the key point is that the source user included a link to BF and sent a webmention to it, which indicates their intent to federate
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[snarfed] feel free to weigh in on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/639 !
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Loqi [preview] [snarfed] #639 How should self replies work?
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[tantek] oooh thanks for filing the issue snarfed++
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