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#corlaezCould someone fact check me? How does indie auth work? You say this is my website, and it has links pointing to an external page with oauth and then that page can use that oauth to validate it is you, the domain owner. Amr?
#corlaezSo domain1 knows i own domain2 because it points to domain3 that has oauth. Something like that?
#aaronpklinks to other external oauth providers are not part of indieauth
#aaronpkbut otherwise yes, you enter your URL, the website you're logging in to finds your OAuth provider and redirects you there where you log in, then when it sends you back to the app the app is able to verify that you just logged in
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#[tantek]corlaez close. using rel="me" to link to a profile that itself has OAuth support is RelMeAuth. IndieAuth is supporting the IndieAuth protocol directly on your site or delegating to an IndieAuth provider of your choice.
#[tantek]IndieLogin supports both RelMeAuth and IndieAuth
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#carrvo[d]Those are separate after all? Good, I thought so.
#[tantek]yes, by design. keeps each protocol simpler
#gRegorI don't think any consumers currently would do anything special with other nested properties
#[develumpen]i'm thinking how to register and show checkins in my blog
#[develumpen]i know i can send a json checkin to my micropub endpoint and add a "watch" property with a url pointing to a watch post. for example in case i watched a movie on a movie theatre, or i ate something at a restaurant
#[develumpen]i'm curious to see if other people do this and how they do it
#aaronpki would not recommend adding arbitrary properties to posts for that, i went down that route at one point and then backed out
#aaronpknow if i want to associate posts together, like a food post linked to the checkin, i make them separate posts and add a link from one to the other, then send a webmention so the food shows up under the checkin
#[snarfed][develumpen] I've consistently seen people have a bad time when they try to do multiple things in a single h-entry
#[snarfed]or, at least, any consumers of that h-entry
#[develumpen]oh i see. i thought maybe updating the h-entry with a property pointing to the url of the other post
#btremI catalog my ferments as h-recipe posts, then rate my own ferments in a separate h-review post. But I've configured my site generator to not post the h-review separately; instead, it posts it as an addendum to the recipe. Not sure that's best practice, but it more or less works for me.
#btremOh, forgot to mention: I link the posts using a unique number id.
#aaronpkhm, i kind of want to catalog the different kinds of posts that have this kind of relationship
#btremThe idea is so I can look up what fermenting equipment/ingredients/etc. worked, what didn't. But in reality, I don't really look things up. I just go by memory.
#aaronpksome examples I've done: food linked to a venue, an event linked to a trip, a flight linked to a trip, a photo and notes of making a recipe linked to the recipe...
#aaronpki guess they're technically specific types of replies, but I don't really think of them that way
#aaronpknow if you look at the replies to the recipe you can see all the photos when i've made a batch
#Loqi[preview] [Aaron Parecki] Made 108oz hot sauce.
The store was low on habanero peppers so about half of this is red Fresno peppers, and it's noticeably more red than normal.
I forgot to use an apple this time, and also used just 2tsp corn starch. It seemed to work fine tho... https://aaronparecki.com/img/1240x,q60/2022/11/22/29/photo.jpg
#btremaaronpk: I've thought of making h-entry posts each time I try an h-recipe as you have laid out. But I can't really make it work for what I'm trying to do.
#aaronpkhow so? i don't even have any special tooling for it, i literally just reply to the recipe post like i was replying to anything else
#btremBecause ferment recipes have variations more often than not. And the point of the catalog is to document what works and what doesn't.
#aaronpkthat's what the content of the post is for
#aaronpki mean why can't you just write those notes as the text of the reply to the recipe?
#btremYeahbut with a ferment, there's no real base recipe. Like if I make giardiniera with carrots, broccoli, and cauliflower, then a week late do the recipe but add onion. Then next time I add garlic but remove onions. Not sure if you follow.
#btremIt's not like lasagna, where there's a base recipe, noodles layered with meat and cheese, where you might modify the spices or some other tangential thing.
#btremIn a way, I'm sort of abusing h-recipe, using it for execution of a recipe rather than the recipe itself.
#btremI brought up my recipe dilemma here a few months ago. There was no real consensus on whether to change it. Either way presents drawbacks.
#[develumpen]i'm trying to keep my endpoint as simple as i can, mostly focused on what http://micropublish.net can do, because i don't want to start my own client as well,
#[develumpen]and this checkin situation got me thinking for a while
#btremFollowing up on the earlier (yesterday for me, maybe earlier today where you are) discussion of an acknowledgements/thank you for posts. ATM, I put my thank you's in an <aside> element inside <main>.
#btremBut now that I'm going to create a separate acknowledgements section outside of <main>. Is there any value to keeping the <aside> markup? Probably doesn't matter either way, but I thought I'd ask.
#btremI feel like I'm abusing <aside> because of the limitations of my static site generator. A post has only two parts: front matter and content. The front matter is the meta stuff (title, date, etc.). The content part goes inside the <main> element. But what do you do if there's something that isn't really front matter, but isn't really the *main* content? IYSWIM.
#btremUntil now, I put such stuff inside an <aside>. But that's a bit of a hack.
#gRegorA bit of scrollback: I think I've done a couple experiments with reading progress as in-reply-to notes to the "started reading" note.
#Loqi[preview] [Tantek Γelik] Post Type Discovery
#btrem[snarfed]: hmm, yeah, no h-recipe. But I already discovered that problem because I tried to link my reviews to my recipes using webmenion.io and it didn't work. Now I know why. :)
#btremAnd because of that, I link them in my site build process. Which obviates the whole webmention/mf thing for my use case.
#gRegorHm? wm.io should receive them regardless of the h-* on the original post?
#btremIt didn't. I'm afraid it was a long time ago, so I don't recall the details very well.
#[snarfed]btrem oh yeah you'd just check for h-recipe as the type. but yeah h-event is in PTD, maybe h-recipe should be there too
#btremgRegor: I don't think I do anymore. The ferment recipe posts were so numerous, that they were taking over my site. So I removed them. They are now in a separate 11ty project. At some point, I'll create a subdomain of btrem.com for the recipes. Until then, they exist only on my localhost. ;-)
#gRegorwm.io shouldn't use PTD as part of the verification to receive a wm. It might use that to show some of the metadata like "type: entry", though I think that's from XRay
#btremI /think/ it was because my link was not a plain link, it was an h-review. And that prevented wm.io from seeing it. As I said, this was a long time ago, so it's a bit foggy now.
#btremI'm looking through the nick search link you sent. Some previous discussions of the same general topic, but nothing specific about wm.io not working for me. I dunno. Maybe it was /not/ in irc. Maybe a GH issue?
#carrvo[d]btrem, for your ferment you shouldn't really need a base recipe. If I understand webmentions correctly (without trying them) then you just need a page to identify the particular "ferment" and you can display your additions/experiments in one place. Kind of like an empty base recipe.
#[tantek]btrem, re: things not in "frontmatter" but also not part of the "content", you could use both <header> and <footer> elements inside <main> for that
#btremcarrvo[d]: that's what I do. Except that webmentions.io doesn't work for h-review/h-recipe. cf. the chat.indieweb link I posted earlier.
#btremSo instead I link then with my static site builder.
#btrem[tantek]: Not sure I follow. I don't normally put a <header> or <footer> inside my <main> element. It's generally <header/> followed by <main> content... </main> then <footer/>.
#btremWith the "content..." part coming from the content of the .md file, that is, the stuff below frontmatter.
#btremI suppose <main> allows flow content, so I /could/ put a <header> inside, but that would be weird and counterintuitive to the future me who's trying to decipher past me's markup decisions. ;-)
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#[tantek]pretty sure main is like a top level section element in that both should contain their respective header and footer element if any