#meta 2017-06-28

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gRegorLove what is indie tech rocks
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Loqi Indie Tech Rocks is a website that collects products "that don't screw us, the users" https://indieweb.org/Indie_Tech_Rocks
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gRegorLove 2017/indietechrocks << [[Indie Tech Rocks]]
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loqi.me edited /2017/indietechrocks (+40) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Indie Tech Rocks]]" to the "See Also" section of /2017/indietechrocks
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gRegorLove schmarty: Baltimore HWC on 7/12?
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schmarty gRegorLove: won't know until tomorrow night.
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gRegorLove You get a TBD then :)
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gregorlove.com edited /Events (+782) "/* 2017 */ +2017-07-12" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-06-20-homebrew-website-club (+935) "update dates, add summary, HWC template, category" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-06-20-homebrew-website-club (+62) "p-name summary" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-06-20-homebrew-website-club (+45) "/* Canada */ p-org, move approx out of p-street-address" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Can't seem to track down whose demo this was: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-06-24#t1498331522292000
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Loqi [Zegnat] digipo.io
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gRegorLove Oh hey, there's video.
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gRegorLove Mike Caulfield
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Intros (+450) "/* Attendees */ linkify/cleanup progress" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Intros (-239) "/* Live Notes */ rm notes about cleanup todo" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+8) "/* Bellingham WA */ fix 2017-07-12 link" (view diff)
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webrocker.de edited /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+16) "/* Nürnberg */" (view diff)
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adactio.com edited /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+14) "/* Brighton */" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /2017/Schedule (+749) "/* Saturday */ added all youtube links" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /2017/Schedule (+98) "/* Saturday */ added Youtube for intro's and scheduling" (view diff)
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sebsel we even have the scheduling on stream :P
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Zegnat Yes, I watched that, and then had gRegorLove feed me the photos to schedule it on the wiki ;)
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seblog.nl edited /2017/Schedule (+106) "added day 2 youtube as well" (view diff)
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sebsel I can't seem to find the Day 1 Wordpress session
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sebsel aka https://indieweb.org/2017/wordpress-shrug
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sebsel !tell aaronpk there were two Wordpress sessions at IWS, but I see only one on Youtube (day2). Did you dedupe?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk i'm not done uploading yet, plz wait :)
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sebsel oh!
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sebsel already added a lot of the links
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aaronpk that wordpress one is the last one left
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aaronpk "about 3 minutes remaining"
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aaronpk turns out it takes a while to upload 74gb
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aaronpk here is the URL! https://youtu.be/mvWpm1JlNj4
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Zegnat Upload 74gb?! That’s a month’s worth of internet aaronpk!
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sebsel yaay!
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aaronpk alright all done!
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aaronpk playlist in order: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk3TtIJ31hqrLIPqz55TczawWu-30cnXM
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sebsel hm, it says my browser does not recognize the video :/
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sebsel I think they fill fix that in a few minutes
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aaronpk that wordpress one might still be finishing rendering on youtube side
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seblog.nl edited /2017/Schedule (+53) "/* Saturday */ added wordpress ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ youtube" (view diff)
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sebsel this video thing is so nice
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calumryan.com edited /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+34) "/* Virtual European Time */ RSVP-ing" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+13) "RSVP" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /2017/wordpress-shrug (+54) "added video" (view diff)
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Zegnat sebsel++ wiki-gardening
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Loqi sebsel has 1 karma in this channel (28 overall)
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seblog.nl edited /2017/what-is-the-indieweb (+47) (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /2017/Demos (+0) "replaced existing video with the one with 'technical errors' message" (view diff)
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sebsel Sorry for the noise :P
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eddiehinkle.com edited /2017/together (+25) "+ github repo" (view diff)
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Zegnat If you just update a link and don’t feel it important to announce that change, you can check the “minor edit” box below the summary. Minor edits are not copied over to chat by Loqi.
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Zegnat I did that when I was linkifying people’s names on session pages
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ben_thatmustbeme woah, yeah sebsel++
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ben_thatmustbeme also, woah, aaronpk already got the ####/ filtered to -meta
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sebsel Zegnat oh, yeah I should've done that
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Zegnat Not really a problem, sebsel, good to see people working on the wiki. But sometimes you just want to fix a link or typo without notifying chat :)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2017/Schedule (+295) "/* Saturday */ replace video links for intros" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+6) "Change in host for Virtual HWC!" (view diff)
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aaronpk this looks pretty good for virtual HWC https://meet.jit.si/
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aaronpk also awesome that it can push to youtube for recording/broadcasting
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sknebel Virtual HWC << <aaronpk> this looks pretty good for virtual HWC https://meet.jit.si/
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Loqi ok, I added "<aaronpk> this looks pretty good for virtual HWC https://meet.jit.si/" to the "See Also" section of /Virtual_HWC
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Zegnat Will have a look at that later
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gRegorLove We tried jitsi for some IWC Bham organizing calls; didn't work out
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gRegorLove Difficulties connecting
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gRegorLove More experiments needed :)
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Zegnat Talky doesn’t like having me and Lukas in the same room. appear.in just doesn’t like Lukas at all (apparently).
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Zegnat So far Mumble has been really solid when sknebel and I tested it, and I would definitely recommend it if we want to bring the Leaders calls on a regular schedule, it just has a higher entry barrier (installing software) and no screensharing for demos :(
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gRegorLove What is Mumble?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Mumble" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat Mumble is an open-source voice chat platform
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat << https://www.mumble.com/
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Zegnat Mumble << https://www.mumble.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.mumble.com/" to the "See Also" section of /Mumble
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Zegnat Mumble << [[Virtual HWC]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Virtual HWC]]" to the "See Also" section of /Mumble
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petermolnar jitsi sounds like a good option
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Zegnat I am now idling in https://meet.jit.si/hwc if anyone wants to take a look
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Zegnat thanks for testing petermolnar!
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petermolnar works fine
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petermolnar np
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jkphl.is edited /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+123) "/* Photos */" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+120) "/* Photos */ Add Virtual HWC screenshot" (view diff)
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Zegnat I wonder if File Uploads should also go here instead of -dev?
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tantek depends. sometimes they're photos, sometimes they're screenshots of UI research which is more appropriate for dev
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Zegnat True
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Zegnat Oh well. I am going to have a small IRC break now. Have a good HWC day everyone!
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aaronpk i could probably match on the filename using the same criteria as for wiki page names
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aaronpk File:2017/... -> #meta File:anything-else -> #dev
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tantek oh yeah
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sknebel General HWC organising note: this might be totally obvious, but having a topic really helped today
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aaronpk nice, what was the topic?
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sknebel So we are going to continue that
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sknebel Webmention
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aaronpk and helped in what way
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk running the event or getting people toshow up?
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sknebel Running. We had something to go back to when discussion drifted, and people thought more about what they could do on their sites, not so abstract
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aaronpk awesome
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sknebel Showing up it doesn't seem to help, even our specially announced intro thing last time didn't pull people in
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sknebel (Our events are really talky, we don't do actual writing or coding at HWCs for now)
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Zegnat In my experience the events can easily turn talky. I think our topic was very much IWS and different things discussed there. Especially some onboarding stuff.
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tantek any objection to adding duration times to the video links on https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Saturday ?
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aaronpk ?
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gRegorLove what is together?
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Loqi Together is a reader that was initially conceived at the 2017 IndieWeb Summit in Portland by https://indieweb.org/images/8/8d/jonathan-lacour.jpgJonathan LaCour and several others during the Putting it all together session https://indieweb.org/together
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[cleverdevil] Thanks, gregorlove... my wiki-fu is not strong.
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tantek hmm thinking about a play template for the video links
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tantek {{play}} or {{videoduration}} ?
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tantek also thinking of replacing ▶️ with <abbr title="play ">▶️</abbr> for accessibility
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tantek which is easier if a template does it automatically
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tantek maybe both
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tantek videoduration takes a param, uses play template for the abbr and icon
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tantek takes two params, URL and duration
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gRegorLove Could it just be {{duration}}? Could apply to audio as well
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gRegorLove It could add mf2 p-length as well, if it accepts parans hh, mm, ss
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gRegorLove Template: wiki edits might be good for meta as well
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gRegorLove tantek: That template will probably need at least numbered parameters so question marks work in the URL. Ran into that with other templates. e.g. {{videoduration|1=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvWpm1JlNj4|2=HH:MM}}
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tantek oh is that what is going wrong?
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gRegorLove Yep. [chrisaldrich] ran into that with photosrcalt
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tantek dangit
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gRegorLove Works with named params too, of course.
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tantek that makes it just complicated enough that I'm not sure it's worth it
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aaronpk namedparameters++
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Loqi namedparameters has 1 karma
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tantek yeah named params is more tolerable
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tantek like: link, duration
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gRegorLove See my suggestions above, too? {{duration}} with hh, mm, ss params?
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tantek that's much less readable than MM:SS
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tantek lol
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tantek realized he mistyped HH:MM where he meant MM:SS
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gRegorLove Ok, hh can be knocked off
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tantek I just mean no need for separate params when there's already readable microsyntax for time
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tantek.com edited /Template:videoduration (+10) "let's see if this works" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:videoduration/doc (+66) "attempt update with named params" (view diff)
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tantek whoa templates go here?
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tantek interesting
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tantek as of a few minutes ago?!?
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gRegorLove tantek: lgtm, worked on my sandbox page
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule (+233) "add times for keynotes, intro, session scheduling, wordpress shrug" (view diff)
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tantek that seemed to work
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tantek wow these videos just keep autoplaying. amazing!
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tantek great work aaronpk
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule (+376) "/* Saturday */ add videoduration template use with durations for rest of Saturday sessions" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule (+125) "some trimming / shifting as this page moves to become a reference" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk did we not record the hack day intro?
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aaronpk it's quite possible we did not
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tantek i.e. when we introduced the three intro dev sessions, checked interest level, and canceled the IndieWeb 101
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tantek it was in the main room
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tantek did we stream it?
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aaronpk yeah it went to the remote viewers on Vidyo
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aaronpk only cause the Vidyo room was always on
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tantek ok but not to youtube then
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aaronpk yeah i didn't see a file for it