#meta 2017-09-12

2017-09-12 UTC
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petermolnar how was dortmud? I spent most of fri-mon offline and Loqi still doesn't make summaries
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petermolnar dortmund
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sebsel petermolnar Short story: not a big turn up, but we told our story to some people.
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sebsel Long story: http://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund/notes :)
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petermolnar cheers
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vivus why would an indieweb use a slack group?
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sebsel As I said in #microformats: it's just one way of joining the same conversation.
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sebsel We also use IRC and it's the same thing.
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vivus but slack is closed-source. does this not impact the ability to move your data as you wish, which is what indieweb is?
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sebsel IndieWeb is not against using existing structures if they work. Lot of people have their own website and are on Twitter or Facebook too.
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sebsel We have our logs at https://chat.indieweb.org/ so we have that data.
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[kevinmarks] Slack is a posse mirror
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vivus that is fair enough I guess.
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vivus issues addressed. thanks
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[kevinmarks] I'm it sure if the web or irc counts as primary these days. Probably the web, though it's only interactive in the old UI, it is the archival source of truth.
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petermolnar vivus our slack and irc channels on freenode are bridged
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sebsel and you can join irc via matrix, so we really have all kind of options.
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tantek in general, the indieweb home page, and every page it links to, should be written with gen 2+ audiences in mind, with gen 1 details pushed a "more details here" type page
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tantek even among gen 1, there's a spectrum of folks
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tantek there are developers that don't want to bother with installing / updating software (so many devs have given up on their own blogs because they went down the WordPress route, got hacked, didn't have time to bother)
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tantek then there are devs that are willing to update a "known" solid solution (software) like WordPress and now Known
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tantek then there are devs that are willing to try a more niche software like Hugo, and bother with things like "Setup the development environment"
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tantek beyond them, there are few devs that are willing to play with totally experimentally software with an attitude towards improving it as needed
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tantek and lastly, devs who want to directly read the standards/specs (protocols, formats) and primarily write their own code for their own site, maybe using libraries when necessary
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tantek petermolnar: ^^^ plenty of subdividing for a dev-specific "Getting Started As A Developer" page
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tantek these are all subcategories of Gen 1
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tantek maybe even divisions like "Get Started Installing", "Get Started Contributing", "Get Started Coding"
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tantek another tweet about that wired decentralized article (by one of the co-authors) that could be worth replying to with a kind hello: https://twitter.com/chels_bar/status/906444438821580800
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Loqi [@chels_bar] Google & Facebook are monopolies. But "re-decentralizing" the Web is hard. Recent piece by @EthanZ @Neha & me: https://www.wired.com/story/decentralized-social-networks-sound-great-too-bad-theyll-never-work/
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tantek It's true that it's hard. So that's a point to agree on and go from there
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tbbrown /quit
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