#meta 2018-12-25

2018-12-25 UTC
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[tantek] Who else is around in SF this Wednesday night to come by to the last HWC of the year?
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@randallb ↩️ Or a place for those indieweb folks to land? Instead of rolling their own servers, doing a p2p thing and a hashbase thing might be better? I'll probably start investigating this over the next year. (twitter.com/_/status/1077464987923140608)
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jacky ^ those aren't as easy as they'd think
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jacky hash IDs are more fragile than domain names
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jacky something like IPNS could help a bit
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[kevinmarks] I wouldn't say they're more fragile, but they have a lot less convergence and fungibility. Every system. Seems to pick a different way of deciding what to hash.
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[kevinmarks] https://hash-archive.org is trying
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @randallb let me know what you find out b/c this feels like it bleeds into the #IndieWeb space (twitter.com/_/status/1077492910277373952)
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[kevinmarks] Some people I have a lot of respect for are looking at the UX of scuttlebut
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jgmac1106 What is scutttlebut?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "scutttlebut" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "scutttlebut is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel What is scuttlebutt?
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Loqi Secure Scuttlebutt is a P2P system to sync message feeds, used to build (among others) social applications that work in off-grid/sneakernet scenarios https://indieweb.org/scuttlebutt
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jgmac1106 What is sneakernet?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sneakernet" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "sneakernet is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks] LinkedIn << https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/1077253397198372864?s=19
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@ftrain We all celebrate in our own ways https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvMryNkWkAUk03R.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1077253397198372864)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/1077253397198372864?s=19" to the "See Also" section of /LinkedIn https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55015&oldid=44267
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Zegnat I really do like the idea of scuttlebutt
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[kevinmarks] I laughed out loud at this, and my wife asked what the joke was https://twitter.com/danbri/status/1077259661420617728?s=19
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@danbri @ftrain what's wrong with repackaging ontologies??? (twitter.com/_/status/1077259661420617728)
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sknebel sneakernet is carrying data on physical storage media instead of sending it over cabled/wireless networks. "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /sneakernet (+230) "prompted by jgmac1106 and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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sknebel sneakernet << or of a carrier pidgeon with a USB drive: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm
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Loqi ok, I added "or of a carrier pidgeon with a USB drive: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm" to a brand new "See Also" section of /sneakernet https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55017&oldid=55016
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loqi.me edited /sneakernet (+107) "sknebel added "or of a carrier pidgeon with a USB drive: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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jgmac1106 “Influences are never experts” I LOVE this line
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Zegnat Interesting idea, conference buddies: https://24daysindecember.net/2018/12/25/conference-buddy/
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Loqi Ever visit an event on your own and tried to blend in with the wall, sweaty hands wrapped tightly around your cell phone, internal debating if you just should take a run for the door? Simultaneously hoping to meet new people and dreading someone coul...
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[jgmac1106] Might be something to offer, or keep a quiet, offline room
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[jgmac1106] Mozilla has some conference resources for supporting introverts that I will try to find tomorrow
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Zegnat once you meet the one person and they can help navigate the other meetings
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Zegnat I can see the use for quiet rooms at large conferences, or conferences that have bursts of activity (speakers, workshops, ...) and can offer a down-time in between for those who do not want to mingle. I am not sure the much more community focusses indieweb meetups are at a size where that makes sense? But I can totally see a buddy system work, specifically because we are so community focussed. Rather than having to meet everyone at
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Zegnat Or maybe I am completely off base. Still thought it was an interesting read :D
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[jgmac1106] No I love the idea of having volunteer buddy system. Especially since meet ups are often in bars that make some uncomfortable
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[tantek] Better to discourage meetups in bars IMO
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[tantek] Or in general any alcohol-centric venue
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[tantek] That's better left to folks doing informally IMO, rather than organized. My opinion on this has kept shifting in that direction over the past few years
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[tantek] jgmac1106++ for already getting an IndieWeb Challenge posted for today!
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Loqi jgmac1106 has 42 karma in this channel over the last year (98 in all channels)
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[schmarty] [tmiller]: any plans for the next HWC NYC at Pace? tomorrow?? 😄
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@metbril D RosemaryOrchard I am wondering why you say you are working on webmention for grav (https://indieweb.org/User:Rosemaryorchard.com) while there already is a plugin? (twitter.com/_/status/1077581083473072128)
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@metbril @RosemaryOrchard Any special reason why you are working on webmention for grav (https://indieweb.org/User:Rosemaryorchard.com) while there already is a plugin? (twitter.com/_/status/1077581707845480448)
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robertvanbregt.nl deleted /Template:metbril "Other template in use"
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metbril Wtf. My Twitter stream is pulled into this chat? How is this done?
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sknebel tweets that mention "indieweb", "webmention", ... are shown here
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metbril Ok. I was afraid that my complete feed was being pulled...
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metbril Nice, thought
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metbril Though
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Zegnat What is domain?
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Loqi A personal domain is a domain name that you personally own, control, and use to represent yourself on the internet https://indieweb.org/domain
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Zegnat What is domains?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "domains" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "domains is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat Hmm
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Zegnat Wonder if those metbril just deleted should instead have redirected to /domain
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Zegnat Not sure why registrar was removed ... that seems like a pretty normal term to keep around?
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Zegnat !tell metbril any reason for those page deletions?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jacky yeah went around deleting redirects :(
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Zegnat I guess metbril hasn’t realised a lot of those redirects are to help people in chat
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[schmarty] hmm, yeah. those pages are important for folks who might have more than one chat name, for example.
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sknebel most seemed to point to non-existant pages? although in some cases that probably should have been fixed instead
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fireburn.ru edited /pagination (+127) "Added a note about marking up with rel=(prev|next)" (view diff)
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[tantek] Wtf is going on with all the deletes?!?
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[tantek] Do we need to lockdown deletion?
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[tantek] Pretty sure an admin can undelete but I'd like to understand what's going on first. Assuming some sort of good faith miscommunication / misunderstanding
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sknebel seems like they all point at non-existing pages?
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[tantek] Agree with Zegnat and schmarty - most (if not all) of those redirects were useful for "what is" or discoverability in general
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sknebel (or most, I haven'T checked every single one)
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[tantek] Huh? They were all broken redirects? Is that because their destinations were deleted?
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sknebel the domain ones seems eddie deleted "domain name registrar" instead of redirecting it to the section he moved the content to.
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sknebel the user: pages I looked at either had been requested to be deleted or never existed(?)
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[tantek] In general we really shouldn't be deleting things that are harmless. Especially since they may help with search & discovery
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[tantek] If something is harmful or irrelevant to IndieWeb then we we should delete it, but those rarely happen
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[tantek] I think some of those missing user pages were people that signed in but never created their pages. So their pages are still useful because you can still check user contributions etc
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