#meta 2019-02-01

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[tantek] silo-quits << 2019-01-30 https://twitter.com/Emma_Marris/status/1090728196788477952
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-01-30 https://twitter.com/Emma_Marris/status/1090728196788477952" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56051&oldid=56046
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tantek.com edited /Events (+345) "/* January */ add photos of Jackjamieson talk" (view diff)
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@cnfrmdgmngbchlr ↩️ @rolatimer This is interesting as well: https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1091131163454783488)
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[tantek] alright let's see if both of those photos from jackjamieson's talk show up in the newsletter draft tonight
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boffosocko.com edited /wikifying (+357) "/* Wikify yourself */ see also: wiki templates; moved examples to bottom of section" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ no need to sit in your shed alobe to figure out #IndieWeb always here to help,many in Aussie timezones (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/RXkk1) (twitter.com/_/status/1091138791971176448)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ If it helps a bit, I've written a primer on IndieWeb basics which might be helpful. Often I think it's more illustrative to see what IndieWeb is by seeing what it can do. @jgmac1106 and I are both publishing first on our own websites, and only [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2019/01/31/reply-to-jorge-toledo-about-what-indieweb-is/ (twitter.com/_/status/1091155017027874817)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ This is awesome Jack! I’m curious what the ensuing discussion was and what other questions may have come out of it, particularly as it may dovetail with efforts of others within the IndieWeb who are working on journalism-related topics? https://boffosocko.com/2019/01/31/55742506/ (twitter.com/_/status/1091163820561555456)
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[Serena] If I changed the domain name on my website, is there some way to change my wiki username to reflect that, or would I have to create a new account with my new domain?
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-02-01.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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aaronpk [Serena]: you can use the "move" feature to move your wiki user page to the new domain, but that's really the only thing like a "wiki account" we have
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jacky if you need help doing that, I can provide some; I did it for my page a bit
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tantek.com edited /indieweb_network (+106) "Single User Software: Falcon" (view diff)
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[tantek] at least we got one photo from jackjamieson's talk in the newsletter!
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@dshanske How I Set up my WordPress Indieweb Website – 2019 Edition: https://di5.us/b/jp (twitter.com/_/status/1091243762607624193)
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[tantek] Zegnat are you able to remote participate in IWS / IWS Organizers meetup? https://indieweb.org/2019/Organizers#RSVP
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Zegnat I’ll add my name there. I should be able to do remote (depending on internet connectivity), though I might miss the first hour depending on work schedule. (Hard to be home by 6 if I work a full day to 5.)
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@swentel I'll be talking about #indieweb at @mountaincampch - and afterwards throwing snow balls, looking forward! :) https://drupalmountaincamp.ch/schedule (twitter.com/_/status/1091273215912091648)
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@swentel I'll be talking about #indieweb at @mountaincampch - and afterwards throwing snowballs, looking forward! :) https://drupalmountaincamp.ch/schedule (twitter.com/_/status/1091273973835407360)
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@DNA_RAPS ↩️ https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1091279852773216256)
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@danicotillas ↩️ It´s like this, more or less, but with a detailed table: https://indieweb.org/specifications (twitter.com/_/status/1091283297831919616)
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@danicotillas ↩️ @ChrisAldrich @eldelacajita @matteodic @hulyaertas @skotperez @jgmac1106 Found it! https://indieweb.org/lost_infrastructure Really good this! (twitter.com/_/status/1091284887557021701)
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@jgmac1106 On how to define #IndieWeb by @eldelacajita: https://twitter.com/eldelacajita/status/1091255272235036672 (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/19SmpJ) (twitter.com/_/status/1091286394239139840)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ OOOH I just found this: https://github.com/menismu/popcorn-js it looks like the last commit to Popcorn was just 3 weeks ago. I will hack around over the weekend and see if I can spin up an instance. See if I can find #IndieWeb help (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2aFRsJ) (twitter.com/_/status/1091317456940003328)
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[jgmac1106] What is publify?
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Loqi Publify is a Ruby on Rails blogging engine project with extended publishing capacities that's recently been taking a turn as an Indie Web project https://indieweb.org/Publify
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /Ruby (+14) "/* Projects */ added publify to project" (view diff)
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@RubenVerborgh ↩️ You'll love IndieWeb—they make a conscious choice to start all wiki pages with a #Criticism section https://indieweb.org/JavaScript https://indieweb.org/RDF https://indieweb.org/Inrupt (as long as @T was not paid by them https://indieweb.org/Mozilla https://indieweb.org/Google https://indieweb.org/Microsoft) (twitter.com/_/status/1091327999838957570)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Has there been a historic bias and overuse (any use is over use) of snark towards other technologies in the #IndieWeb community, Yes. But is broadcasting conflict in open source community, even if it is documented openly the best approach. No. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/22OESZ) (twitter.com/_/status/1091331436513251334)
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jay.funabashi.co.uk uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:aaa000000001111 google cal 4.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:aaa000000001111_google_cal_4.png"
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jay.funabashi.co.uk edited /okami (+132) "/* silo UI inspiration */" (view diff)
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@petermolnar ↩️ Fascinating how people can make up random statements like this. Would be lovely if instead of constantly poking at indieweb, we'd have SOLID enabling plugins for, say, WordPress. (twitter.com/_/status/1091337580786929664)
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GWG bangs head against wall
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petermolnar hm?
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petermolnar there won't be any, ever, so not a real danger, don't worry :D
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@megarush1024 OK I believe I finally have websub set up and running correctly. That took me a while but there was a lot of interesting stuff worth reading. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1091341021873688577)
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@hs0ucy RT @jalcine@playvicious.social A primer into the #IndieWeb by chrisaldrich https://boffosocko.com/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ https://playvicious.social/@jalcine/101514466900253347 (twitter.com/_/status/1091341145559392256)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /events/2019-02-06-homebrew-website-club (-78) "/* Where */ vhwc eu" (view diff)
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@RubenVerborgh ↩️ Greg, your work on this page has been excellent. You have removed factually incorrect statements. The IndieWeb community is definitely allowed to have a critical viewpoint toward things; I would feel wrong in trying to shape that. I'm commenting on @T undoing your work. (twitter.com/_/status/1091344704028004352)
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@csarven ↩️ IndieWebCamp has and extends a lot of technical and social baggage that their wiki/chat and the governance (read: cult mentality) is FUBAR - 4chan of Web stuff. They don't understand or capable of genuinely approaching "plurality" even if their lives depended on it. (twitter.com/_/status/1091346410069544966)
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petermolnar ...
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petermolnar I only have extremely rude answers to that, so I'll do my best to swallow it
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[jgmac1106] yeah that is one you let slide by, engaging serves no purpose
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[jgmac1106] need to look at clock, I think last three days it flares up same time
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@RubenVerborgh ↩️ I have no problem calling out @T's hypocrisy regarding “not invented here”. Please convince me how he has ever tried to tried to paint a correct picture, as opposed to selectively picking damaging statements based on falsehoods that he knew about: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Inrupt&action=history (twitter.com/_/status/1091348429463343107)
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@RubenVerborgh ↩️ Trolling is not productive in any way. I humorously called out the fact that everything coming from W3C or Web is systematically being made fun of by some people in the IndieWeb community, without infringing on your rights to do so (with proper facts). (twitter.com/_/status/1091349211067699209)
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@RubenVerborgh ↩️ Yeah but it has Tantek reverting every bit he doesn't like: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Inrupt&action=history And I don't want to change your Wiki too much; you have every right to be critical of everything you do not like. It's just not how I approach discussions of related technologies. (twitter.com/_/status/1091349785917968385)
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@petermolnar ↩️ LOL. https://webmention.net/draft/ "W3C Editor's Draft 12 January 2017" The #indieweb way of systematically making fun of W3C. (twitter.com/_/status/1091350117427359744)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Indieweb wiki belongs to anyone with own domain. All it takes to sign in, and the way it works is people who use the tech build out the pages. If Solid and RDf pages do not have much else listed besides criticism its because no one is… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/01/rubenverborgh-indieweb-wiki-belongs-to-anyone-with (twitter.com/_/status/1091350630717943811)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+57) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ yes IndieWeb community formed as a reaction to people tired of simply writing white papers of potential solutions for corporate audiences, focus on blogs and not listserves, doing rather debating, but this made w3c stronger in… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/01/petermolnar-rubenverborgh-yes-indieweb-community-formed-as (twitter.com/_/status/1091352086116265985)
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@RubenVerborgh ↩️ I find that hypocritical. This is the way articles start out: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Inrupt&oldid=52309 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=RDF&oldid=20427 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=RDFa&oldid=26566 Yes, we _could_ edit, but why? The goal of some is clearly not objectivity, but one-sided cheap criticism. Which is fine—just not my goal. (twitter.com/_/status/1091352267553411072)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Hi Ruben, the RDF ones were me. The way the #indieweb wiki works is that when you ask 'what is [thing]?' in chat, the bot will show the definition, or you can make a quick stub by saying [thing] is [definition] This does encourage flippancy a bit. (twitter.com/_/status/1091353676453695488)
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[jgmac1106] what is bitcoin?
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Loqi bitcoin is something that does not actually exist, what does exist is a 2-bits coin, AKA a quarter, worth 25¢ https://indieweb.org/bitcoin
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[jgmac1106] an example that we may all agree should be there
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@alienlebarge Having some problem with my #IndieWeb authentification If someone can #help https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/184 (twitter.com/_/status/1091355577589161984)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @cscarven yes I was too harsh but I was trying to explain you will find a bias to keeping metadata in HTML in #IndieWeb. That is THE benefit. That real people can read it. that a 25 old page will behave the exact same way it did two decades… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/01/petermolnar-cscarven-yes-i-was-too-harsh (twitter.com/_/status/1091356777524924416)
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jeremycherfas !tell [@alienlebarge] Could it be something simple, like you are using http and your site is https?
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @petermolnar @cscarven So I spent 14 days this summer and worked with the #IndieWeb community to learn (auto-didactic learning a myth...community is the curriculum). and then spun up course template and built a blog. So my value=my fun=my learning (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/MUMPd) (twitter.com/_/status/1091359573586427906)
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@RubenVerborgh ↩️ I missed this important tweet of yours among the storm of incoming messages. Indeed, broadcasting conflict is not the way to go. So great that you are tackling that in the IndieWeb wiki; I from my side will never say an incorrect word about IndieWeb tech. Keep up the good work. (twitter.com/_/status/1091364641278738432)
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petermolnar > I from my side will never say an incorrect word about IndieWeb tech < http://spoke.news/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/meme2.jpg
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@jgmac1106 I have been asked by many #foss #indieweb @mozilla friends to continue my series on blogging in open source communities. I threw these posts up for @sunnydeveloper in a few days so still rough: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/opensourceblogging.html but what other topics am I missing?… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/01/i-have-been-asked-by-many-foss (twitter.com/_/status/1091365963889590273)
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@MstrKapowski So I think I’ve finally got things setup properly, where I can tweet from my website, have any replies and likes show up on my website (after moderation), *and* have the website original linked from the tweet by a custom shortlink. #indieweb (https://mrkpw.xyz/b/1sK) (twitter.com/_/status/1091367217957163008)
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[tantek] In some ways there is progress.
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[tantek] Instead of merely ignoring IndieWeb and pretending it doesn’t exist, Ruben and other Inrupt/Solid folks are now linking to it so some folks reading them will click thru and learn about IndieWeb
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@RianVDM 1/ My side project for the past month or so has been to try to extract myself from centralized networks by digging in the @indiewebcamp movement. (twitter.com/_/status/1091392495970222080)
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@RianVDM ↩️ 2/ So. http://rianvdm.com is a static @jekyllrb blog that’s hosted on @github pages. It has a Micropub endpoint (https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github) so I can post via a variety of open source tools. (twitter.com/_/status/1091392622776672256)
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@RianVDM ↩️ 3/ That content feeds into the (very nice) http://Micro.blog community, from where it gets natively tweeted to @rianvdmdotcom. https://help.micro.blog/2016/cross-posting-twitter/ (twitter.com/_/status/1091392929006907393)
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@RianVDM ↩️ 4/ In short, the process to “own your content” is currently in the chasm, and won’t cross over into mass adoption until we make it *way* easier. That said, I like this setup a lot, and am encouraged that it’s a thing that is now possible. (twitter.com/_/status/1091393186604273664)
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@RianVDM ↩️ Totally agree, & I don't want this to sound like criticism. It's been a lot of fun, and I appreciate your work immensely. I'm just eager for my friends to do it too, but know that's not currently feasible for many of them. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know. (twitter.com/_/status/1091394808344539136)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2019/Organizers (+102) "/* Remote Participation */ +$me" (view diff)
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@RianVDM ↩️ I went a little further and wrote up some technical details (lots of links!) about the setup, in case it's of interest to anyone. https://rianvdm.com/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1091414021918547968)
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@kbaxter ↩️ Thanks for this. I should really migrate my TightWind archive over to something like this at some point. Having to keep Wordpress around is such a burden. (twitter.com/_/status/1091414572794347520)
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@muzzlehatch_ ↩️ @RianVDM @indiewebcamp @jekyllrb @github @rianvdmdotcom Fantastic, thanks! (twitter.com/_/status/1091414592675344387)
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@rianvdmdotcom [Meta-post] My IndieWeb experience so far: https://rianvdm.com/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1091415064811372544)
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@RianVDM ↩️ I hear you. My work site is still there and I don't think it's going to be easy to move that over. But as a quick, micro-thought thing, this has been perfect. (twitter.com/_/status/1091415215420264448)
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@kbaxter ↩️ Totally tangential, but it would be really cool if our web architecture allowed you to 1) natively publish datasets (e.g. financial, environmental data, anything) in a unified way, 2) semantically structure it, 3) provide API to arbitrarily pull defined types of data (twitter.com/_/status/1091415508098998273)
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@kbaxter ↩️ ML models could automatically pull new datasets (with tests to validate it) to update models; scientific models could do the same thing with new data as it's published; etc. All without a central company to depend on for storing, managing and accessing it (twitter.com/_/status/1091416056827121667)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I will eventually do this in #IndieWeb learning environments we are building. Combining all the existing parsers with some of what we have learned in essay scoring and HTML in I think can create some easy tutorial bots to improve writing. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1tpqUA) (twitter.com/_/status/1091421133646319617)
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Zegnat Huh. I just learned people have done multi-room streams to a single YT view? See the camera icon on this video to switch rooms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOfNx3FaUE
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Zegnat I wonder if that is something we could do.
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Zegnat Also, some nice music to start the weekend with ^^^
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aaronpk i've looked at that feature before but it's never seemed worth it really
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aaronpk https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853812?hl=en
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aaronpk seems like it would take more coordination between the streaming devices in each room than just streaming easch individually like we do now
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Zegnat I guess it also makes it harder to join as the option is not available on mobile.
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Zegnat I still thought it was an ineresting UX thing though. As we would only need to share 1 url and people could watch any room from there
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aaronpk yeah i do like that aspet
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aaronpk really we just need to make our own page that can link to the current stream from each room
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aaronpk wouldn't be a lot of work, mostly figuring out a way to have each room identify which it is when starting a new video
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[eddie] Yeah, I think that would be really awesome to do something like that. I think we can sample something like that for IWC Online
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Loqi [eddie]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 3 days, 10 hours ago: yeah I crashed as well, want to spend the week thinking about otreach and trying to get rsvps
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snarfed.org edited /web_hosting (-146) "/* Custom domain silos */ recommend micro.blog over tumblr now that it supports almost all indieweb stuff. inspired by https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-02-01#t1549052695545100" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich Dividing and Conquering the #IndieWeb Related Content on My Website https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/01/dividing-and-conquering-the-indieweb-related-content-on-my-website/ (twitter.com/_/status/1091439199159373824)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-02-01.html
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aaronpk oops i forgot to do the every hour thing this week
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[tantek] put it on your indieweb to-do list 🙂
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aaronpk ha
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[tantek] so do I need to create a separate page for jack's event to get both photos in there?
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[tantek] looks like newsletter is only pulling *one* photo if the event is on /events
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[tantek] whereas on event permalink pages, it pulls all the photos
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aaronpk hmm checking
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aaronpk oops
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[tantek] and yes I checked the pin13 for two u-photo on it 🙂
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aaronpk fixed, should catch it on the next regen
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[tantek] aaronpk++ nice!!
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Loqi aaronpk has 47 karma in this channel over the last year (252 in all channels)
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[tantek] because I think that's it for the week
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[tantek] let me check @sl007
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@RubenVerborgh ↩️ Open… https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Inrupt&action=history. I started this thread to denounce @T's insistence on very specific narratives. Can you try to make an edit with truthful information, and see how long it stays? Wikipedia and its edit wars might not be the example you are looking for. (twitter.com/_/status/1091457987946954752)
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[tantek] Actually, I think that history reflects quite well at iteratively improving a page, with a pretty reasonable level of back/forth
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[tantek] no "wars" at all
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@t ↩️ @sl007 great! Always awesome when hackathon demos work! Any photos from y’all or the demo(s) at #wizardstower2019? If you can post or link one in the next 30 min we should be able to get it into the This Week In The #IndieWeb newsletter. http://tantek.com/t4yo1 (twitter.com/_/status/1091460585785569290)
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[tantek] There is https://indieweb.org/images/4/4c/equity_diversity_inclusion.svg on the page which we could use as a fallback. hmm - assuming SVG images work in the newsletter workflow?
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aaronpk i wouldn't count on it
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[tantek] and https://indieweb.org/images/8/88/BuildingBlocks.svg
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[tantek] should I try it and see what breaks?
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[tantek] testinproduction++
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Loqi testinproduction has 1 karma over the last year
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aaronpk just screenshot and upload it as a png
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aaronpk i doubt either mailchimp or twitter are going to work with the svg
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[tantek] aww don't make kevinmarks cry
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[tantek] hmm - worth adding https://mxb.at/blog/on-simplicity/ to indienews? mentions static sites, lots of indieweb like attitudes towards webdev
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aaronpk for some reason i thought it was there already!
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aaronpk ah i bookmarked it myself yesterday
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aaronpk let's see if i can update that with a syndication
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-02-01.html
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[tantek] yay both photos got in there!
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[tantek] aaronpk++ nicely done!
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aaronpk *whew*
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aaronpk testing in production
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aaronpk kinda bummed there was no photo from the water tower
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[tantek] -> chat
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aaronpk i would have loved to see what it looked like! maybe next year
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[tantek] same!
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[tantek] hoping next year works out better - I think getting co-organizers is key - one of whom is more available in chat to then get even more help
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-02-01.html https://t.co/XV66m0s2JK (twitter.com/_/status/1091475045283577856)
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@t ↩️ Great @mxbck post On Simplicity https://mxb.at/blog/on-simplicity/ via @adactio Additionally: simpler approaches are more inclusive & accessible, e.g. #microformats & #indieweb Fewer abstractions = less to learn before getting started. Simpler = less time cost ... http://tantek.com/t4yo2 (twitter.com/_/status/1091479905232138242)
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@jgmac1106 Great @mxbck post on simplicity : http://tantek.com/2019/032/t2/simpler-more-inclusive-accessible-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1091486194083471360)