#meta 2019-02-21

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[jgmac1106] Eddie +1 alternating time zones... Be happy to start at 20:30 est so tail end could be caught by left coasters
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Me too
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martymcgui.re uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:hwc-nyc-2019-02-20-0001.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:hwc-nyc-2019-02-20-0001.jpg"
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+109) "/* Photos */ NYC photo" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+112) "/* Blog posts */ +NYC" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club-nyc (+179) "blog and photo" (view diff)
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dmcweeney So we are starting virtual HWC 9:30 not 8:30?
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GWG I don't know. Someone tell me.
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dmcweeney I think 9:30 because I joined the chat and no one was there and I only saw me!
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GWG dmcweeney: Okay.
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[jgmac1106] yes, that convo was for future, we had already published the event
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[jgmac1106] nothing stopping you two hopping in Jitsi now, gwg can teach you spin up an hcard and drop it into a widget
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[jgmac1106] (you could do this already , a side bar widget, choose custom html widget type, and then cut and paste in the h-card template, put in your deets, done
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[jgmac1106] putting kids to be, ill be on time for vHWC
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[jgmac1106] bed*
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dmcweeney Alright-I’m going to take a shower and then I’ll be on time for 9:30 vHWC!
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boffosocko.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+69) "/* Virtual Americas */ Chris Aldrich" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 I need to look at my redirects. Something broke. It worked flawlessly for awhile...Trying to read Apache documentation on how to use regex hurt my head. In the end took #IndieWeb dev chat intervention. Need to bump this way high on priority list. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/9T8Zj) (twitter.com/_/status/1098406008441982976)
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[tantek] j12t and me here at HWC SF
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aaronpk Sorry to miss you!
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aaronpk It almost worked out great
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dmcweeney How come I only see myself on the screen?
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I still have some styling to do but simply using the RSS feed worked great. Thx @inoreader for helping to keep the world a little more #IndieWeb and helping me thank those who #BuildTheCommons (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/fh89n) (twitter.com/_/status/1098410679449604097)
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[jgmac1106] joinign now Drew
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[jgmac1106] Got stuck in an emergency rabbit hole
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[jgmac1106] [eddie] has an infant, time is relative
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[eddie] Yep logging in now 🙂
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dmcweeney How do you log in?
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (-2) "added myself" (view diff)
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[eddie] Oh into my computer 🙂
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[eddie] The chat screen you just load
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@jgmac1106 Hey everyone if you want to join us for vHWC #IndieWeb Americas virtual meet up it is starting right now: https://meet.eddie.wtf/hwc (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/18aTbN) (twitter.com/_/status/1098412045161115648)
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[eddie] Hmmm that’s an odd error
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[eddie] dmcsweeney did https://meet.eddie.wtf/hwc give you an error in the bottom left corner?
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[eddie] ahhh it was a safari error
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@jgmac1106 Teaching https://drewmcweeney.com how to install add his personal information to his website so he can sign in to the #IndieWeb wiki with his own domain. Want to know how? Just ask. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/EOmfq) (twitter.com/_/status/1098414110587396096)
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[eddie] Nice! I replaced the Jitsi.org logo with the IWC logo https://slack-files.com/T03QR2B2T-FGCKM2L82-c90b104e20
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dougbeal.com edited /User:Dougbeal.com (+32) "/* working */" (view diff)
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drewmcweeney.com edited /chat-names (+123) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] drewmcweeney++
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Loqi drewmcweeney has 1 karma over the last year
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[jgmac1106] Drew now you can go to Indieweb.org/Events
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drewmcweeney.com edited /chat-names (-74) (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] and then add your self as an organizer
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[tantek] who is drewmcweeney
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drewmcweeney.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+16) (view diff)
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drewmcweeney.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (-16) (view diff)
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dougbeal.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:hwc-sea-2019-02-20-0001.jpeg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:hwc-sea-2019-02-20-0001.jpeg"
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dougbeal.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+103) "/* Photos */" (view diff)
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dougbeal.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+129) "/* Blog posts */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+1957) "/* Working On */ Migrate to new web host top priority" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /migrate (+23) "r" (view diff)
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[tantek] something broke with the indieweb site theme and/or CSS
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[tantek] there's overlapping text on the home page on mobile (iOS or Android)
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tantek.com created /upload (+28) "make an easy shortcut" (view diff)
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aaronpk The header/logo when logged in?
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coty.design uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2019-02-20-HWCSF.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2019-02-20-HWCSF.jpg"
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tantek.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+100) "/* Photos */ SF!" (view diff)
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[tantek] aaronpk, yes or when not logged in
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[tantek] this used to work
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[tantek] what changed when?
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aaronpk Nothing with the theme has changed in... a long time
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aaronpk I could be wrong, check the edit history of the main page cause the css overrides are there
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[tantek] This can't possibly be broken for since we switched the theme in 2016 can it?
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[tantek] pretty sure we checked mobile
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[tantek] aaronpk looks like you moved the CSS to a Main_Page.css template
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@davemillar Contemplating a detour to Killeen for army surplus store shopping on the way down to #IndieWebCamp Austin. (twitter.com/_/status/1098435956804333570)
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drewmcweeney.com created /User:Drewmcweeney.com (+5853) "Created page with "---- Greg is an educator who believes that we need to teach technology as a literacy issue. He prepares teachers to read, write, and participate on the web. <div class="p-summ..."" (view diff)
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[tantek] ok I'm just going to start tweaking the home page until this is fixed
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[tantek] why is the nav UL using position absolute?!?
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[tantek] no wonder text is overlapping
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[tantek] ugh looks like this is from default media wiki styling - load.php?
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[tantek] or default from the theme
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@murderofcrows #Indieweb Mischief managed https://dougbeal.com/2019/02/20/hwc-seattle-february-20-2019-meeting-notes/ (twitter.com/_/status/1098440889247002626)
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eddiehinkle.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:meetup-2019-02-20-americas.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:meetup-2019-02-20-americas.png"
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[tantek] wow this is a mess of inefficient markup (too much markup), then CSS hacked up to undo (but awkwardly, using the wrong methods) a bunch of default styling from that inefficient markup
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eddiehinkle.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+135) "/* Photos */ add Virtual Americas" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+0) "/* Photos */ fix photo for Virtual Americas" (view diff)
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[tantek] to-do << fix the [[Main_Page|home page]] markup/styling in [[Template:Main_Page.css]] to be properly responsive for mobile widths so as to NOT overlap text (e.g. Discuss Events currently overlap the logo in mobile browsers, or narrow window on desktop), and to *not* use "position:absolute" on the nav UL as a horrible hack to "pull it up" to the top of the page.
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Loqi ok, I added "fix the [[Main_Page|home page]] markup/styling in [[Template:Main_Page.css]] to be properly responsive for mobile widths so as to NOT overlap text (e.g. Discuss Events currently overlap the logo in mobile browsers, or narrow window on desktop), and to *not* use "position:absolute" on the nav UL as a horrible hack to "pull it up" to the top of the page." to the "See Also" section of /to-do https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57034&oldid=56910
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boffosocko.com edited /follow (+246) "/* Chris Aldrich */ followers page" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich A Followers Page on My Personal Website using Webmention #IndieWeb #WordPress https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/20/creating-a-followers-page/ (twitter.com/_/status/1098466075790827521)
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106] was it you that had a connection in SD for a possible IWC?
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eddiehinkle.com edited /Virtual_HWC (+339) "Add Jitsi Meet self-Hosted notes" (view diff)
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[eddie] I’m pretty excited that the Self-Hosted Jitsi test seemed MUCH better and reliable than the Hosted Service. And of course with an Amazon EC2 instance we can scale it up and down as much as we need
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[eddie] Plus we can customize it. I need to test, but I’m pretty sure the Etherpad integration can point to our existing Etherpad instance, so if you visit meetserver.tld/session_hashtag the Etherpad displayed from the server will be etherpad.indieweb.org/session_hashtag
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[eddie] Which would be amazing for Remote IWC or IWC Online
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[eddie] Plus I was able to easily update the watermark from the Jitsi logo to the IWC logo
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gRegorLove Nice!
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tantek.com edited /Inrupt (+62) "some grammar fixes, dates, clean-up, better linking, reduce/limit extrapolation from tweet, link W3C, ActivityPub, DAT" (view diff)
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depone.net edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+116) "/* Photos */" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs () "(-632) update from /Events" (view diff)
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[tantek] Karlsruhe++ !
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Loqi Karlsruhe has 1 karma over the last year
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@depone Gestern traf sich wieder der Karlsruher Homebrew Website Club. Hinter dem folgenden Link sind unter anderem die kommenden Termine versteckt: https://depone.net/2019/02/21/homebrew-website-club/ #HWC (twitter.com/_/status/1098503744222838786)
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sknebel eddie++
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Loqi eddie has 16 karma in this channel over the last year (82 in all channels)
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@jgmac1106 Made it pretty far on designing #IndieWeb guestbook using @glitch https://indieweb-guestbook.glitch.me set it up as an h-feed and made every update a note so I can subscribe in my reader. Need to figure out how to call my stylesheet in js, that is… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/21/made-it-pretty-far-on-designing (twitter.com/_/status/1098561604159967232)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Of course, if anyone wants to fix it for me today what I need to learn tomorrow, will be greatly appreciated, here is the link to edit: https://glitch.com/edit/#!/join/b76e59a2-de84-4ffe-a2f9-e4bff5216973 #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1TjAVh) (twitter.com/_/status/1098561958792564736)
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@Petersell Followers https://boffosocko.com/about/followers #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1098565380971352064)
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@MstrKapowski Now I’ve found a groove on Twitter I’m comfortable with, I think it’s ok for me to slightly expand my following circles to include a couple of extra topics I’m interested in. First up is the #IndieWeb Also on: * (twitter.com/_/status/1098568531111829505)
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@corntoole I’m gonna be at #indiewebcamp Austin http://2019.indieweb.org/austin (twitter.com/_/status/1098581139466391552)
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@jgmac1106 Want old school plumbing to take back web? added #IndieWeb guestbook: https://glitch.com/~indieweb-guestbook to #IndieWeb team on @glitch https://glitch.com/@indieweb and looks like https://https://grant.codes/ added his #IndieWeb directory & https://martymcgui.re/… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/21/want-old-school-plumbing-to-take-back (twitter.com/_/status/1098595321289019395)
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[grantcodes] [jgmac1106] I just realized the vast majority of the views are on the indieweb directory project, like *a lot* don't know if it got featured or something?
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@jgmac1106 People been asking how to find #OpenSource projects for all levels. Here is an #IndieWeb podcast template we have been working on our @glitch team (and my son, https://dogzone.jgregorymcverry.com...use what you make and all) Want to up your CSS Grid skills? Get… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/21/people-been-asking-how-to-find-opensource (twitter.com/_/status/1098601140021796864)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Here is link to project: https://glitch.com/edit/#!/join/4093227f-337b-4c14-975b-f6ddddefd1ce perfect way to either add an #IndieWeb feed for your podcast. https://snarfed.org working on microformats to>rss and https://aaronparecki.com already set up the microcast club web ring … https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/21/here-is-link-to-project-editjoin4093227f-337b-4c14-975b-f6ddddefd1ce-perfect (twitter.com/_/status/1098602433327054850)
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk The self-hosted version of Jitsi Meet seemed to work pretty good last night. I don't think we'd want to use my domain for IWC (I have an eddie.wtf domain that I use essentially as a cloud .dev). If you want Jitsi Meet on an AWS instance on your account, I can help with that. If you want to just use mine, we can point a more indieweb-friendly domain to my servers ip. Up to you
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel [eddie]: cool!
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sknebel can we get a Loqi command or an IndieAuth protected button somewhere to smash to launch/shutdown the instance? :D
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[eddie] That's a good idea. There are a couple of things we could do long-term. Loqi, IndieAuth button or have something to watch the h-feed of events and if events have a specific tag or u-url that could trigger a launch/shutdown
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[eddie] The button is probably the easiest
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[eddie] Unless Loqi ended up being easy for aaronpk
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Zegnat Implementing decentralised authentication to power a button that launches an AWS setup - easiest solution, because IndieWeb makes it easy!
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sknebel button sounds best. limited access list, maybe make it so everyone with access can add new people, that seems like a good balance
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jeremycherfas Glad it worked well for you [eddie]
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[eddie] Zegnat sknebel That's true, chat-names is probably even too broad. Like you said, having the ability to have a limited set of people but where all of them can add other people is probably a good idea
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[eddie] I'll have to look into the AWS API because that's the most challenging part! lol But I'm pretty sure they make a library that should make that easy
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[eddie] jeremycherfas Thanks! :)
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[jgmac1106] Yeah [grantcodes] because most are internal as they were in Glitch already...
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[grantcodes] Yeah, but it is a lot of views compared to all the other projects, so I wonder if it got featured on the homepage or something, and how to get that to happen for the other projects 😛
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[grantcodes] I also added (some very nicely coloured) collections to the team page: https://glitch.com/@indieweb
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aaronpk could do the two-person switch like !rt
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Loqi aaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 1 hour, 39 minutes ago: The self-hosted version of Jitsi Meet seemed to work pretty good last night. I don't think we'd want to use my domain for IWC (I have an eddie.wtf domain that I use essentially as a cloud .dev). If you want Jitsi Meet on an AWS instance on your account, I can help with that. If you want to just use mine, we can point a more indieweb-friendly domain to my servers ip. Up to you
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sknebel that feels more annoying for that to me
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aaronpk for turning off a server? i feel like that extra confirmation is a good thing in that case
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sknebel for having to wait for someone else to allow me to turn it on when I'm starting an event
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aaronpk every event should have a co-organizer anyway so that doesn't really seem too much of a burden ;-)
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aaronpk i don't really want to create a whole thing to manage access to a button. the easiest way i can think of to make that kind of thing work would be to create a special team in the github org and use github login to access it
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aaronpk that way we don't have to make our own permissions system and management UI
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sknebel well, vHWCs typcially don't, and I see organizers as busy enough doing things in person
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aaronpk (login and access control is also exactly what okta does so i could also probably rig something up with that instead too)
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sknebel i.e. is it that much more than e.g. Loqi's "add spam string" web site?
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sknebel I guess that didn't have an ACL
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aaronpk yeah that was just indieauth login
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aaronpk technically it's pretty simple to create a page like that to manage an ACL, but it's a slippery slope to start creating multiple separate access control management UIs that are unrelated, it just turns into a mess later and lots of tech debt
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aaronpk which is exactly why companies like okta have a business model
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sknebel tie into the auth at indieweb.org, and maintain the list as a github repo, so no UI?
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sknebel I get your point
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aaronpk hence my suggestion of using github since we already use it for other things and a lot of us have access to it, and we can do fine grained controls like that
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[eddie] That makes sense to me
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@manton2 Why attend IndieWebCamp: https://www.manton.org/2019/02/21/why-attend-indiewebcamp.html (twitter.com/_/status/1098634493441830912)
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/_/status/1098634493441830912
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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aaronpk [eddie]: I'd love to set up an AWS server on my account so we don't have to may for it. How much effort is it? Is it just one EC2? I could spin it up and give you shell access if you wanted to install the stuff
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[eddie] aaronpk Yeah, I had just spun up a single EC2 using the t3.small instance type (t3 for the bandwidth speed)
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[eddie] If you provide shell access, I can definitely get it all set up and installed on that one.
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[eddie] !rt https://twitter.com/_/status/1098634493441830912
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Loqi Thanks [eddie] and aaronpk! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1098637097538183168
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[schmarty] EC2 supports a first-run startup script of some kind, right?
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[eddie] schmarty yes
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aaronpk [eddie]: are your ssh keys on GitHub current?
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[schmarty] I guess aaronpk has enough monthly credits that the instance doesn't have to be completely destroyed, just stopped
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aaronpk Yeah they're pennies when stopped
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[eddie] Yes, my github keys are current
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@jgmac1106 Hey @mhawksey did you see the progress I made creating an #IndieWeb template for @blogger https://drmacsspot.blogspot.com? (theme: https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/1bea040bd2d2f65151b43bff14c6c205) I bet someone with your skills could add rest of the IndieWeb Building Blocks (or as many as possible)… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/21/hey-mhawksey-did-you-see-the-progress (twitter.com/_/status/1098639542528212992)
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[jgmac1106] More than happy to donate AWS space as well.
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aaronpk [eddie]: oops i don't see any keys for you! https://github.com/eddiehinkle.keys
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aaronpk send me an SSH key you want to use
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aaronpk oh that's not you
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[eddie] oh I'm edwardhinkle
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aaronpk why do i keep doing that
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[eddie] lol it's understandable. I'm eddiehinkle everywhere, it's logical
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[jgmac1106] ooohhh edward
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[jgmac1106] schmarty may also be working on a small travel grant, the femhack project wasn't fully funded and looked more and more like "for this to go well have Greg do it all project" so I canceled the adjacent event
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[schmarty] eep
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[jgmac1106] reappropriating 1500 in travel, 750 spoken for
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[jgmac1106] asking the #socialjustice committee to allow me to use it to cover cost for underrepresented guest
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[schmarty] sorry to hear about femhack event cancelation
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[jgmac1106] I am more relieved, it was a compressed time frame and looked like I would have to to the leg work. I want to make it an independent study project on open source project management anyways
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@ChrisAldrich .@ChrisHardie has built an awesome little tool for exporting your Flickr photos and importing them into a #WordPress website. #IndieWeb #ownyourdata https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/20/moving-photos-from-flickr-to-wordpress-chris-hardie/ (twitter.com/_/status/1098653828352622592)
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adhoc.systems created /Prismo (+542) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''<dfn>[https://gitlab.com/mbajur/prismo Prismo]</dfn>''' is an in development, open source, link sharing tool. It supports partial [[ActivityPub]] federation and [..."" (view diff)
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@cafenun Homebrew Website Club https://www.nun.cafe/konzerte-lesungen-kabarett-karlsruhe-events/2019/3/20/homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/1098670270980808704)
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loqi.me edited /directory (+49) "[schmarty] added "http://markvigeant.directory/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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@memyselfyandeye ↩️ It only takes one. Everipedia has nice branding. That’s a huge start (among many other virtues I’m sure). Indieweb’s design turned me away from the get go (twitter.com/_/status/1098684017543499776)
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@producedbytobi ↩️ @_chris_leon Thank you as always for such a quality selection of varied music from all across the Indieweb! #musichouruk (twitter.com/_/status/1098688766523424768)
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@aaronpk ↩️ @jevdemon Yeah it is! Here's a post that outlines some of the technical details! https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/17/building-an-indieweb-reader (twitter.com/_/status/1098697160273494019)
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aaronpk Lol sometimes I forget I am tweeting when I reply in monocle
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[eddie] That totally happens to me too!
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[eddie] socialreaders++
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[schmarty] "with social readers and POSSE, i don't know where my content comes from or where the responses go!"
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[eddie] lol for real!
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[tantek] twopersonswitch++
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[tantek] turnyourkeysir++
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@jgmac1106 https://evdemon.org/ Hey just saw your conversation with https://aaronparecki and saw you are attending @IndieWebCamp Online! Sweet, we will have to get the session planning documents out (well they are there but we haven't broadcasted them yet cc/ … https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/21/-hey-just-saw-your-conversation-with (twitter.com/_/status/1098712983407079424)
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[eddie] Hmmm tricky Jitsi Meet! By default they use a random string for the Etherpad string. I don’t know why they don’t just use the room name from Jitsi. I’ve got a self install of Jitsi using the IndieWeb Etherpad
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[eddie] Now I just have to tweak it to use the same string as the room name
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tantek.com edited /2019/Austin (-8) "additional event tracking, FB event" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] eddie what if we just set up a bunch of url shortners customized to etherpad name?
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[jgmac1106] i guess you could just link to the pad aname with the random string...I hope you figure it out be cool
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manton.org edited /2019/Austin (-23) "Updated schedule." (view diff)
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[eddie] Yeah it should be pretty easy. I just have to figure out where they are deciding it
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gRegorLove manton, are there plans for a Friday night meetup?
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GWG Who will be in town Friday night?
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aaronpk Not me :-(
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aaronpk I land at like 11pm if all goes well
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@jevdemon ↩️ @jgmac1106 Thanks for the link- I'll definitely check it out. I'd love to assist with anything for IndieWeb Camp Online. (twitter.com/_/status/1098730810667089920)