#meta 2019-03-28
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ My kids aren't coming to #IndieWeb but we will have a few girl scouts who are going to come and build websites to work on their coding and web design badges. But your is wee little, @jmac found a cool spot in #pvdfor when things settle down in… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/28/eduquinn-my-kids-arent-coming-to-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1111067623494746113)
# @jgmac1106 https://sadik.goifnetwork.org https://ursulazage.goifnetwork.org https://masssly.goifnetwork.org don't know if any of you three are around this weekend but would love to have you remote into @IndieWebCamp session this weekend https://2019.indieweb.org/newhaven (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/261A8o) (twitter.com/_/status/1111069015588380672)
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[jgmac1106] let's see how it goes.ask me if it was a good idea on Sunday...does mean my keynote might be everyone playing <tag></tag> revolution
# [jgmac1106] co-worker asked if she could bring her girls and work in their coding badges. Since in person numbers are low, figured why not...but that's the beauty of it all to me, one piece of paper, an hour, a bit of dancing, and I can teach you to build a webpage
# [jgmac1106] I am the conductor sir....it's audience participation
# [jgmac1106] Pax East the Indie Game Dev conference is in Boston same weekend, didn't realize it. bunch of my friends and comp sci folks going there
# [jgmac1106] it never hurts to have a conductor hat
# [jgmac1106] oooh just realized I need to get the schedule from the wiki up onto the 2019 page
# [jgmac1106] I know and I still think you schmarty and I shoudl do the Northeast Corridor IWC where we hop off in NYC, Philly, DC and back again doing 1-2 hour pop up events in each city
# [jgmac1106] hey gwg would you be able to update https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/blob/master/templates/newhaven/schedule.php with the info from here: https://indieweb.org/2019/New_Haven
# [jgmac1106] change the optional lunch to Three Brother's Diner
# [jgmac1106] if you can't no worries I can hit in the mornning
# [jgmac1106] ohhh cool say hello to chris
# [jgmac1106] I will do it in the morning
# @jgmac1106 @mouse_org hey I should have thought of this a month ago but can you send out this link to your network: https://indieweb.org/2019/New_Haven never know who wants to take a last minute ride on the metro north (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/3wcqJ) (twitter.com/_/status/1111076407998889985)
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jacky http://donutjs.club/ could be one
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ thx for poetry love hey if you are around this weekend you should remote into https://indieweb.org/2019/New_Haven think @chrisaldrich will propose session on writing books from your domain, critical gradebook/ungrading, want one on syndicating poetry… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/28/grammasheri-thx-for-poetry-love-hey (twitter.com/_/status/1111077531644579840)
# @jgmac1106 @zeldman didn't realize you were in NYC, hop on the Metro-North this weekend and come to https://indieweb.org/2019/New_Haven https://david.shanske.com and I will do a Getting started on WordPress session that would take you start to finish with #IndieWeb set up (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1Io40h) (twitter.com/_/status/1111084969710026752)
# [jgmac1106] do you mean bringing me home...doubt it...once I figure out how to save my guestbook it will be a gateway drug to wanting to build simple ways to publish on my site
# [jgmac1106] but gwg we could be teaching some, want to find out what people want...same Saturday session we often do, I can help translate if the kids come....you will find them so much easier to teach than adults.
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@ChrisAldrich Part of @UniLeidenNews is making the moral & ethical call to close all their Facebook related properties. Kudos! They've got a great website, perhaps they'll move a bit more toward the #IndieWeb?
#edtech #DoOO #ethics #privacy #pedagogy #DeleteFacebook
https://boffosocko.com/2019/03/27/55747338/ (twitter.com/_/status/1111093106286288897)
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chrisaldrich Where to log that ^^ in the wiki??? So many things going on there....
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gregorlove.com created /User:Gregorlove.com/2019-01-01-example-event (+17) "sandbox to test event stuff" (view diff)
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gRegorLove !tell schmarty Trying to figure out the desired effect with the hwc stuff. Are you wanting to have template
{{next-hwc}} show details from the page it redirects to?# gRegorLove !tell schmarty I got some basics working: https://indieweb.org/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox#Transclusion_Testing Might be able to transclude parts of an event page on /events that way
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[schmarty] gRegorLove: oooh! My hope is to reduce the number of edits we have to make when updating next-hwc and MediaWiki:Sidebar
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Loqi [schmarty]: gRegorLove left you a message 1 hour, 4 minutes ago: I got some basics working: https://indieweb.org/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox#Transclusion_Testing Might be able to transclude parts of an event page on /events that way
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# gRegorLove Aha. Testing so far seems like #redirect doesn't work as part of <onlyinclude>. Gets treated as regular MW syntax, a numbered list item
# gRegorLove Or basically any markup before the #redirect does that
# gRegorLove Hmm, trying something else...
# gRegorLove I think I've got it.
# gRegorLove It's hacky, heh. <onlyinclude><includeonly> block on each event page with the text you want to appear in the sidebar...
# gRegorLove /next-hwc still has #redirect as the first then, then an <onlyinclude><includeonly> block with a wiki link to the event page...
# gRegorLove Then {{next-hwc]] should follow the chain of <onlyinclude>s to show the text/link from the event page.
# gRegorLove Works with text so far: https://indieweb.org/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox#Transclusion_Testing
# gRegorLove Autolinking that text on the event page using
{{FULLPAGENAME}} and {{hwcdate}} doesn't work currently, I think because {{hwcdate}} is processed in context of the page it's included on# gRegorLove instead of on the /events/YYYY-MM-DD... page's context.
# gRegorLove So, looks like a wiki link on the event page and two wiki links on /next-hwc would do it. A bit of an improvement?
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@dogtrax ↩️ @jgmac1106 @indiewebcamp Thanks for the invite and for thinking of me. I’m not around this weekend .. have fun! (twitter.com/_/status/1111200157771669504)
# @jgmac1106 @james_mtc want to hop on metro north and come to @IndieWebCamp New Haven? If you can't make it https://mt.clevere.st could sponsor this free conference. We have $100, $200, and $300 levels available (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2eaEPa) (twitter.com/_/status/1111207052586729472)
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@adactio People of Brighton who have websites: remember that this evening—and every Thursday evening—it’s Homebrew Website Club Brighton in the @Clearleft studio from 6pm to 7:30pm:
https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Brighton
https://adactio.com/notes/14994 (twitter.com/_/status/1111209811906039808)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Hey @vr2ltch are you around this weekend? We have https://kimberlyhirsh.com/ keynoting @IndieWebCamp New Haven and a bunch of us could help you own your tutorial videos from your website so you don't have to worry about YouTube being blocked at schools (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/S1o0c) (twitter.com/_/status/1111214740691398656)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ yeah check out https://indieweb.org/2019/New_Haven it is at @scsu this weekend. Teachers and librarians can come and build a website or hack on their existing one. We can liberate your videos from YouTube. #ctedchat #ctedu (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/tFuOu) (twitter.com/_/status/1111235261093027840)
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@depone @btconf gibt es Empfehlungen für Unterkünfte während Indieweb Camp und #btconf? Kann gut sein, dass ich die bisher übersehen habe … (twitter.com/_/status/1111245000434765824)
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@Cambridgeport90 Hopefully next week during my contact's Wordpress presentation, i'll get a chance to help more people join the #IndieWeb. We'll see. Keeping everyone updated with stuff. (twitter.com/_/status/1111253112159916043)
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@generativist I'm actually an optimist w.r.t #dweb/#indieweb stuff.
Once we find solutions which satisfies broader users' interests, needs, and desires instead of technologists' interests, needs, and desires, I think it will catch fire.
It just hasn't happened yet? (twitter.com/_/status/1111309664510054401)
# @generativist Who is the @profmusgrave of #dweb/#indieweb stuff?
Like, someone whose informed shit takes help put things in proper perspective? (twitter.com/_/status/1111310722993029120)
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tantek.com edited /events/2019-03-28-homebrew-website-club (+49) "link to announcement" (view diff)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IWC Utrecht" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IWC Utrecht is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is /2019/Utrecht
# Loqi IndieWebCamp Utrecht 2019 will be 18-19 May 2019 (save the dates!) https://indieweb.org/2019/Utrecht
# [tantek] IWC Utrecht is /2019/Utrecht
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loqi.me created /IWC_Utrecht (+25) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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# gRegorLove I think that sounds reasonable
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# [schmarty] tantek: how is Baltimore looking in what sense?
# [schmarty] lol ok
# gRegorLove hehe, I was wondering if there was another Bmore IWC I missed
# [schmarty] i moved away before i could plan an IWC Baltimore 2019 😕
# gRegorLove [tantek], last I heard: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-26#t1553643076527400
# gRegorLove +5 remote in subsequent chat
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# [jgmac1106] Yes I know we are at 6 already
# [jgmac1106] We only have three in tito but but there are three that have confirmed with me personally they are coming. And I know we have 2 additional just Sundays
# Loqi IndieWebCamp Online 2019 was the second virtual camp, 8-10 March 2019 https://indieweb.org/IWC_Online
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Online" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Online is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Good idea, plan to spend some time at @IndieWebCamp New Haven doing some clean up.
Not sure why but work better when I have 2-3 tasks so I can switch between them when I need a break.... But really I end up foxu3on some fourth yet to be… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/28/briandigital-good-idea-plan-to-spend-some (twitter.com/_/status/1111357214730739714)
# [tantek] Online is a virtual venue for IndieWebCamps, most recently [[2019/Online|2019]], and before that in [[2014/Online|2014]].
# Loqi ok, I added "[[Online]]" to the "See Also" section of /2019/Online https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=58695&oldid=58263
# Loqi ok, I added "[[Online]]" to the "See Also" section of /2014/Online https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=58696&oldid=15463
# tantek.com edited /IndieWebCamp_Organizing (+474) "at least 5 in person for an IWC, if you can't, do regular HWCs instead until you have committed community members" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /Planning (+107) "prominent link to IndieWebCamp Organizing at top for those wanting to plan their first" (view diff)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ You should come down to New Haven weekend if free built some really cool workflows for the classroom space.
Been teaching on blogs with my students since 2006. A few puzzles pieces were missing. I think #IndieWeb will allow me to make the pieces I need. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1dD3au) (twitter.com/_/status/1111357947865632768)
# [jgmac1106] Emailed every single professor at Yale 3x. And each club 2x. The Yale Privacy Lab (Law School) has shown interest but never confirmed
# [jgmac1106] @tmiller emailed every single computer science club in CT.
# [jgmac1106] Tweed is a fun airport to fly into and you can find crazy last minute deals....
# [jgmac1106] But we have a lot of West Coast remote going to be cognizant of that when doing schedule grid....
# [jgmac1106] ..... Gonna miss schmarty the grid wrangler
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# [schmarty] i will send you good scheduling vibes
# [jgmac1106] And it's improv so I get to choose topic and medium
# [jgmac1106] Tantek were BarCamps as big as EdCamps have gotten? Watching hundreds of people do this and negotiate is amazing
# [jgmac1106] A thing?
# [jgmac1106] Its fucking huge
# [jgmac1106] They got a multimillion dollar foundation
# [jgmac1106] Hundreds of events we'll over 10k teachers a year
# [tantek] [jgmac1106] this is my point, this page needs a lot of work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdCamp
# [jgmac1106] One founder who went to the BarCamp in Philly where they got the idea talked with me for awhile on Twitter about bringing EdCamp and IndieWeb together
# [jgmac1106] Will do... Try to see if I can get someone in EdCamp to join and do it first...
# [jgmac1106] But when you have 100+ people agreeing to 4*5 grid it is cool to watch
# [tantek] Ok this is impressive: https://www.edcamp.org/organize
# [jgmac1106] Yeah that was great to say as well. Same goals opposite ends of technical scales
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aaronpk Compare to this wall of text 😂 https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp_Organizing
# [jgmac1106] Yeah that is what I meant by adding a how to kit... But time...
# [jgmac1106] Think we have all the pieces across some wiki pages. I think it should travel with the 2019 2020 site
# [jgmac1106] So if a new city forks the repo they get the how-to kit pages.... And any attendees could get inspired
# [jgmac1106] Speaking of which I need to update that schedule page now
# [tantek] IndieWebCamp_Organizing << To-do: Add some key pieces and simpler getting started organizing aspects like https://www.edcamp.org/organize
# Loqi ok, I added "To-do: Add some key pieces and simpler getting started organizing aspects like https://www.edcamp.org/organize" to a new "See Also" section of /IndieWebCamp_Organizing https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=58699&oldid=58697
# loqi.me edited /IndieWebCamp_Organizing (+130) "[tantek] added "To-do: Add some key pieces and simpler getting started organizing aspects like https://www.edcamp.org/organize" to "See Also"" (view diff)
# [jgmac1106] People like that more than wiki I think all anecdotal
# [jgmac1106] You should do the BarCamp family tree as your Beyond Tellerand talk
# [jgmac1106] Meant a page they don't change.
# [jgmac1106] ... But I do hate having two schedules to maibtain
# [jgmac1106] One in wiki markup and one in html
# [jgmac1106] Well you fork it for a new city. Change some files but we make it not toolkit but yeah maybe just keeping that on wiki is easier
# [jgmac1106] If the wiki can take html can we just use the html page so we can copy and paste schedule changes?
# [jgmac1106] schedule on the wiki as an h-event and the feed displayed non the 2019 page that would be dreamy
# [jgmac1106] [tantek] convo with IndieWeb founder: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/02/mritzius-interesting-historical-fact-for-satchat-edcamp you should reply to one say, ""Sup I'm @t cofounded #IndiWeb and BarCamp I would love to plan a joint event with you"
# [jgmac1106] okay sorry meant file PR
# [jgmac1106] either way maintaining both hard. I might just comment it out for New Haven and out a link back to #Schedule on the wiki page
# [jgmac1106] "You’re editing a file in a project you don’t have write access to. Submitting a change to this file will write it to a new branch in your fork jgmac1106/2019.indieweb.org, so you can send a pull request." that is the sentence that confused with a pull request and a fork.
# [jgmac1106] no worries better I learn correctly if I will be teaching others
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# [jgmac1106] Excited. Have everything we need.
# Loqi [github] Pull request opened by jgmac1106: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/30
# gRegorLove That's a lot of line-item HTML comments
# [jgmac1106] i could have deleted it, juts didn;t know if gwg would have time to maybe pop in the schedule, need to run to baseball practice now but will be back later
# gRegorLove Should work. I'm merging and will update if it doesn't look right.
# Loqi [github] Pull request merged by gRegorLove: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/30
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# [jgmac1106] gRegorLove....huge help!
# [jgmac1106] gRegorLove++