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Loqi A bookmarklet is a web browser bookmark that runs javascript commands on the current page; indieweb bookmarklets are often useful for responding to the current page https://indieweb.org/bookmarklet
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gregorlove.com edited /bookmarklet (+258) "How To section, link to bookmarklet editor, move link up from See Also" (view diff)
# gregorlove.com edited /2024/Brighton/Schedule (+724) "/* Saturday */ iwc-session-links templates" (view diff)
# gregorlove.com edited /2024/Brighton/Schedule (-8) "/* Saturday */ first block archived" (view diff)
# gregorlove.com created /2024/Brighton/events (+598) "archive, no notes in the etherpad, help expand with any you have!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024/Brighton/a11y (+92) "SA general wiki page on the topic, dfn include general topic page link also" (view diff)
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] Thank-you so much gRegor++
# Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Mar 9 - 10, 2024 IndieWebCamp Brighton 2024" changed https://events.indieweb.org/event/572/history/1606/diff
# Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Mar 9 - 10, 2024 IndieWebCamp Brighton 2024" changed video_url https://events.indieweb.org/event/572/history/1607/diff
# Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Mar 9 - 10, 2024 IndieWebCamp Brighton 2024" changed https://events.indieweb.org/event/572/history/1608/diff
# Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Mar 9 - 10, 2024 IndieWebCamp Brighton 2024" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/572/history/1609/diff
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[tantek] Short version IIRC is if people without a domain want to contribute to content to the community, they can still use their own site or some social media to post about the IndieWeb and it will show up in #indieweb-stream where someone else in the community can see it and manually opt-in incorporate it into the wiki if it's appropriate
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loqi.me created /mentiontech (+32) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
# [tantek] Jacky, perhaps fourth, the barrier is deliberate also because we have very strong nudge here to get people to direct their creative energy FIRST into their indieweb presence and only SECOND into community contributions. Like if your primary interest isn't actually walking the indieweb walk yourself, why are you here?
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Is https://us06web.zoom.us/j/88557718651?pwd=Mmn3VQXFl4lwXaMPLEnOfLVDbtzK9u.1 working?
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Ooh, you mean projecting this chat?
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Might be difficult, not sure we have a spare computer to hand
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Made a start at https://etherpad.indieweb.org/brighton2024-projects - will update after lunch!
# procrastinalex nice thanks!
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# tantek.com edited /accessibility (+516) "dfn indieweb relevance, simplify a little, flatten heading levels a bit, note to do to focus page on IndieWeb relevant content and link out for broader web accessibility resources" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2024/Brighton/comments (-16) "fix a md link to use local wiki link" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2024/Brighton/posse (-152) "convert markdown links to local wiki links, fix a few typos" (view diff)
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Thank-you [tantek]! Going to do a post-camp review of everything next week.
# loqi.me edited /2024/Brighton/Schedule (+37) "[tantek] added "[[2024/Brighton]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
# paulrobertlloyd.com edited /Indiekit (+16) "Add publication preset plugin for Eleventy" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2024/Brighton (-170) "simplify participants & remote sections a bit, add GWG" (view diff)
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# alexsirac.com created /Template:alex (+181) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">
{{sparkline|1=https://alexsirac.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/cropped-portraitplante.webp}} [[User:alexsirac.com|Alex Sirac]]</span>"" (view diff)# procrastinalex nice, *finally*
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# procrastinalex aaa thanks!
# tantek.com edited /2024/Brighton (+29) "/* Remote */ split present vs intended, use sparkline template, typo" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2024/Brighton/Schedule (+244) "Copy Sunday schedule from main page" (view diff)
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# [tantek] procrastinalex, do you know a way to query MediaWiki for the contributions from a User on a particular day? E.g. I want to do this https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Tantek.com&target=Tantek.com&offset=&limit=23 but for 2024-03-10 in particular
# procrastinalex hmm
# procrastinalex there's a tool for that for wikipédia which makes me believe that there is nothing built-in
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# procrastinalex oyh wait you're looking for the list not the count
# procrastinalex then just click on the little guy in the top right corner, and contributions in the dropdown menu
# procrastinalex in the search menu you canselect any date you want
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# [tantek] procrastinalex++ thank you I got it to work!!! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=Tantek.com&namespace=all&start=2024-03-10&end=2024-03-10&limit=50
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# [Al_Abut] Ha! I just experienced one of the aspects of chat that I forgot about - I tried to switch the conversation over to here but then had like a few hundred messages to catch up on first.
# [Al_Abut] I think I see what you’re saying? But also I’ve only had one coffee and it hasn’t kicked in yet 😂
# [Al_Abut] Sorry to post and run, this is such bad ettiquette but I’m heading out the door to (finally) see Dune 2. Just wanted to throw some love towards the newbie cause!
# [tantek] point is, we have to prioritize being /welcoming to new people in the main channel (over "momentum" for experienced people) if we want to keep being open and encouraging to new folks in the community
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# [contact898] > if new people see a bunch of spec/jargon/code talk then they immediately conclude "oh this indieweb thing must only be for developers" — that's literally repeatedly a problem in that someone posts about that every month or so
# [contact898] can confirm
# [Al_Abut] The chat has actually become a big part of my daily/weekly routine, I can just empathize with the activation energy it took for that to happen and also appreciate how maybe there’s a subtle intentionality to it. Reconciling that with being more newbie-friendly is the healthy tension
# [contact898] took me forever to try and figure out what was "for me" and what was arcane and scary
# [contact898] I also think that the channel is not "for me", though - in the sense that retention is more important than recruitment
# [contact898] sorry I meant the whole IRC server really, or indieweb conversations in general. I feel like I'm part of the indieweb but not of the indieweb "builders" and here is a "builder" place, if that makes sense
# [contact898] yes, but I don't think it's a negative experience in itself!
# [contact898] it really depends on whether you want the builders to be in #indieweb-dev or the non-builders to be in #indieweb-chat
# [contact898] and both approaches would be valid imo
# [contact898] as long as they're clear
# [contact898] what's really hard is when you don't know if you should be somewhere, I think
# [contact898] that sounds fair. #indieweb could be a governance/conceptual channel or a general channel
# [contact898] since there's #indieweb-meta I guess it's a bit clearer that it's more of a general channel
# [contact898] yep
# [contact898] (the slack bridge is infinitely nicer than the discord one phew, glad I'm here)
# [contact898] but yeah I've been in places where the "builders" (in a non-tech space, another meaning) were constantly sent to their channels when they were getting too excited about something specific and it's very off-putting too
# [contact898] there's no objectively correct solution (otherwise we wouldn't need this conversation haha)
# [tantek] posted about this: https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon
# [contact898] that is entirely possible
# [Fran] A couple more chats re chat / belonging / alternative channels today in Brighton. The risk of something like a forum ending up as a graveyard/grumpyard does exist. Long lived communities survive via a mix of individual direction (moderation) and culture (shared norms and purpose) — we already have the latter, and it seems momentum around the former (✋happy to dedicate some time, for one) . Maybe it could start with camp-alumni, later open
# [Fran] to camp-hopeful, and wider as the paths are paved and we understand the effort required, vs the value gained.
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] I also wondered if a forum could be used for help for particular IndieWeb tools (like Indiekit). That means authors have a place to help users AND it means forum has people motivated to visit/moderate. I added discussions to Indiekit’s GitHub repository recently, be nice if it was located ‘closer’ to community discussions.
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# tantek.com created /2023/Nuremberg/Projects (+461) "stub with dfn, session sticky notes photo, to-do" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2023/Nuremberg/Schedule (+28) "/* Sunday */ hack sessions page link" (view diff)
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# [tantek] That's fascinating [Paul_Robert_Ll]. Tool or service specific "support". Like we have #indieweb-wordpress for IndieWeb WordPress users, and #indieweb-known for those, but no reason to have to "wait" to make a new channel for other tools and services where the creator wants *something* to discuss them. GitHub discussions are a good start.
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# tantek.com edited /to-do (+12) "add fragments that Loqi dropped when editing the page" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2024/Brighton/Schedule (-2) "/* Sunday */ redlink projects and demos" (view diff)
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# [Fran] [Paul_Robert_Ll] any learnings for https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp_Organizing ? Just in case of...cough...IWC...cough...Edinburghcoughcough
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] @fran A few! 😅 Going to review wiki pages, and also include in blog post, no doubt!
# [Fran] Oh, [Paul_Robert_Ll] ++ for the lunch suggestion today 👍
# Loqi Edinburgh is a city in Scotland that started a Homebrew Website Club meetup 2015-08-13 and held an IndieWebCamp in 2015 https://indieweb.org/Edinburgh
# [tantek] [Fran] please jump in and edit https://indieweb.org/Planning#Edinburgh with your IWC Edinburgh thoughts!
# [Fran] Current thoughts are limited to "mmmmmh 🍩", but I'll update if they develop. Will chat to [capjamesg] of course
# [Fran] Related: https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton/events did not run, should I remove the page? (and marked it as N/A on the schedule)
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] [tantek] Thanks! I also meant reviewing the organising pages, and updating/adding to while thoughts fresh in my memory
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# [Fran] Last met for a few HWC in 2015-16, then lost contact. He was studying in Edi, not sure if he's still around.
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# [Fran] Oh, seems he's still around from his GitHub profile 🤔
# [Fran] (time for 🛫)
# tantek.com edited /Edinburgh (+110) "/* Local IndieWeb Members */ move tbrb to formerly active, no signs in chat etc for many years, welcome back whenever!" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /Planning (+127) "/* Summit */ add specific date proposal 2024-08-25…26 Sunday & Monday in Portland, separate specific dates vs vague dates" (view diff)
# [tantek] ok folks, please add your availability / desire to the proposed date for IWC 2024! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit_date_proposals
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# tantek.com created /2024/Brighton/Planning (+1599) "create from Planning page Brighton 2024 section" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2024/Brighton (+36) "add related planning page to organizers section" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /Planning (+402) "IWC Brighton 2024 is done! a few notes on DUS and IWS, stub 2025 with Brighton thoughts" (view diff)
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