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artlung.com created /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental (+11077) "Experimental IndieWeb Camp Timeline" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental (+160) "restyle. based on https://codepen.io/artlung/pen/OPNeLjJ" (view diff)
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[artlung] [tantek] I suspect you will appreciate this. taking a stab at a timeline. https://indieweb.org/User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental (+99) "css update again" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental (-173) "media query" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental (+31) "tightening up" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental (+14) "markup adjustment" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental (+4) "more markup adjustments" (view diff)
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[tantek] Whoa! Yes the vertical text on the years helps a lot
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[tantek] Noticed you re-ordered the cities (presumably by earliest first instance first)
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[tantek] Wonder if you knew what order I used for the cities n the current page
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[tantek] Also I still want to do a pre/post pandemic split of the table
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[artlung] What was the order by originally? Yeah ordered it by first instance then alpha more or less
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[artlung] I'll guess by longitude
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[artlung] with the right css variables could set it up to switch order by longitude, first-instance, alpha along with a widget. using `order`
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[artlung] (then switch with a set of checkboxes)
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osteophage.neocities.org edited /Mastodon (+887) "links on accidental DDoSing" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental (+7991) "adding sort options" (view diff)
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[artlung] oh yeah, this makes me happy. [tantek] https://indieweb.org/User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental (+2132) "alpha order" (view diff)
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[tantek] What is this dark magic
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "this dark magic" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "this dark magic is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Longitude is a good guess. Roughly by longitude but for things in a "similar" longitude, they were ordered by latitude. It was one attempt at a "reasonable" 2d -> 1d compression
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[artlung] It works but encoding the data into complicated rules kinda sucks. Really should be in custom properties on each row. https://codepen.io/artlung/pen/bNpPNqQ
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[artlung] But proof of concept
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[artlung] But very satisfying to make this
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[tantek] Also squishes better on mobile
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[artlung] Yeah. Added media queries, css is mobile first
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tantek.com https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577502586273792/1450360014102593546/IMG_0249.png?ex=69424085&is=6940ef05&hm=67011258b4aa85e49a8273771d465a3edc84dbad00ce4d4cfcba1ead1d07b062&
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wfdoujin.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Avatar.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:Avatar.png"
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[tantek] ^ that looks like GenAI and I'm not sure we should be uploading abstract GenAI graphics to the wiki (would prefer not)
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[tantek] what do others think?
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[tantek] wfdoujin are you here in chat? did you create that graphic yourself or use GenAI to create it?
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[tantek] also do we need a policy of not uploading GenAI text or graphics because they tend to be at risk of violating copyrights?
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capjamesg Yeah. I wonder what Wikipedia has done for this (maybe more specifically around text)?
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[tantek] I think we may need a more black & white policy about this than Wikipedia because we don't have the same size of community that has the time to review things
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental () "(-5230) new colors by region, sort by post-covid" (view diff)
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[artlung] US legal authorities have said essentially such works can carry no copyright.
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[artlung] [tantek] ~ new version. https://indieweb.org/User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental
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[artlung] (love that raw css preview)
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[tantek] (same 😂 )
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[artlung] also, I feel like tantek alluded to making the timeline show post-covid camps, it now does that. https://indieweb.org/User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental
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[tantek] yeah my goal with that was to actually drop prior cities from the display so it looks less empty
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[tantek] because we really have had two phases of IndieWeb community
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tantek.com deleted /File:Avatar.png "content was: apparent GenAI image, zero IndieWeb relevance, only contribution from Wfdoujin/.com — if this was you, show up in chat if you want to appeal"
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[tantek]3 [artlung] appreciate making it work with lists too! I definitely wrestled a bit over whether table markup was semantically appropriate. At the time it felt like the data was sufficiently "tabular" with the rows and columns having such meanings that that's why i chose to use a <table>. plus I admit colspan was both helpful for reducing empty table cells and yet as I think your markup shows, it's possible to avoid such empty elements
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[tantek]3 altogether
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[artlung]2 you can play with the SCSS here: https://codepen.io/artlung/pen/bNpPNqQ
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[artlung]2 really love seeing Cambridge having 2 in one year. And Berlin as well.
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[tantek]3 Yes that's a good improvement for sure!
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[tantek]3 I miss the Dopplr colors but that's a personal preference (it did also help to distinguish different cities as their own rather than clustering into regions which often have little overlap across cities)
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[artlung]2 so you can see Los Angeles takes a root color and shows different ones with an oklch variation for Hollywood and Santa Monica. Kind of want to create a tonal variation for all of them
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[tantek]3 mostly was seeing all of europe being blue
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[tantek]3 is that EU flag blue?
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[artlung]2 yes eu flag is blue
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[artlung]2 ooh. used an oklch from a base color then applied a calc to the hue based on regional order. kind of interesting. https://codepen.io/artlung/pen/bNpPNqQ
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com/indiewebcamps-timeline-experimental (+726) "color variants per city based on region" (view diff)
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gRegor Re: that avatar upload, interesting that is the second first-time contribution to the wiki recently that's something "AI" related. Previous one was https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2025-12-11#t1765417520139000
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gRegor That one was also deleted for lack of relevance
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[artlung]2 If we have an AI image content policy we ought to link to it on https://indieweb.org/Special:Upload
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gRegor Agreed
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gRegor I was commenting more towards the angle it's interesting these seem to be first-time contribs from people who don't seem to have interacted with the community (chat at least), so possibly spam. That one I linked above seemed more like self promo, but the sites are also heavily about "human-AI collaboration" so eh (personal reaction on the last part :D)
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gRegor I didn't see the avatar, so entirely possible it was someone trying to set up a wiki User page
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[tantek]3 highly unlikely as it was some weird fantasy sword and mythical creatures slop, plus the site is for an AI tool, not a person
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[tantek]3 it was also their first/only contribution to the wiki: https://indieweb.org/Special:Contributions/Wfdoujin.com
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[tantek]3 [artlung] we don't have an explicit AI content policy just like we don't have a policy for every place someone could steal content from
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[artlung]2 Well, that sure seems dismissive of my comment. What I'm suggesting is a link similar to what one sees when one goes to create a page, which links to https://indieweb.org/start_a_page and *that* page talks about relevance.
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[tantek]3 not intended to be dismissive
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[tantek]3 we do have a general notice about copyright and material
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[tantek]3 maybe we need to expand that to include using tools that steal copyrighted material e.g. GenAI
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[artlung]2 yeah, a look at start_a_page warranted. and I think a mention "uploading an image is subject to the same guidelines as on [[start a page]]
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[tantek]3 yeah https://indieweb.org/Special:Upload lacks links to specific things
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[tantek]3 not sure how to fix that, like add some text/links to that page
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[tantek]3 reading https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Managing_files now
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gregorlove.com edited /IndieWeb_Hackathon (+296) "/* History */ +aciccarello announcement post" (view diff)
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[tantek]3 to-do << wiki admin: figure out how to add links and text to https://indieweb.org/Special:Upload similar to our "Edit" page text about copyright, IndieWeb relevance, perhaps by going through https://indieweb.org/Special:AllMessages and figuring out which page to edit for changing the look of the Upload page
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Loqi ok, I added "wiki admin: figure out how to add links and text to https://indieweb.org/Special:Upload similar to our "Edit" page text about copyright, IndieWeb relevance, perhaps by going through https://indieweb.org/Special:AllMessages and figuring out which page to edit for changing the look of the Upload page" to the "See Also" section of /to-do https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=106783&oldid=105861
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www.ciccarello.me edited /IndieWeb_Hackathon (+22) "/* Hosting */ update contact person" (view diff)
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aaronpk probably something here https://indieweb.org/Special:AllMessages?prefix=upload&filter=all&lang=en&limit=50
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[tantek]3 to-do << ^ see "upload(-…)" redlinks here for possible pages to edit to add text / links: https://indieweb.org/Special:AllMessages?prefix=upload&filter=all&lang=en&limit=50
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Loqi ok, I added "^ see "upload(-…)" redlinks here for possible pages to edit to add text / links: https://indieweb.org/Special:AllMessages?prefix=upload&filter=all&lang=en&limit=50" to the "See Also" section of /to-do https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=106785&oldid=106783
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+176) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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adambuice.com created /User:Adambuice.com (+1077) "My first edit" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /large_language_model_traffic (+220) "jwz blog post comments often contain useful information" (view diff)
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