#microformats 2018-07-20

2018-07-20 UTC
aaronpk, [cleverdevil], globbot, pniedzielski[m], wakest[m], schmarty[m], [jgmac1106], [chrisaldrich], tantek, [mrkrndvs] and dougbeal|mb1 joined the channel
#
@miklb ↩️ @rmondello @Mandy_Kerr Does that mean it looks at microformats, specifically mf2? (twitter.com/_/status/1020170679507996672)
tantek__, tantek, [chrisaldrich], [dougbeal] and Loqi joined the channel
#
@fsteeg ↩️ Yeah it's kind of amazing how we have two full stacks for this stuff with the #IndieWeb and #LinkedData, sort of upholding the old Microformats vs. RDF thing. Different focus though, so maybe it's actually good. (twitter.com/_/status/1020228820153110528)
[jgmac1106] joined the channel
#
@csarven microformats is a broken fork of the "RDF in HTML" initiative. RDFa emerged as it fit the Web architecture/goals, and became part of the family of W3C Recommendations. Given mf1's limitations, mf2 tried to mimic RDFa; ended up not being backwards compatible with mf1. (twitter.com/_/status/1020238366699413504)
#
@macbirdie I've been recently reading on all the IndieWeb is about, i.e. using microformats, webmentions, POSSE, and I'm surprised how much content and context we can get out by simply annotating our blogs properly. The web itself is indeed a social network. (twitter.com/_/status/1020241569734184960)
#
@jgmac1106 ↩️ I was attracted to microformats2, first because of community values, and two because the “opennes” of RDF in the learning space did not feel open (standards boards costing thousands.. Not W3c) and “complexity” there is microdata for color of developers… http://jgregorymcverry.com/4723-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1020243223287980032)
pniedzielski[m] joined the channel
#
@csarven ↩️ With all due respect, please do check the wiki on its position/understanding on LinkedData/RDF and related tech. Judge for yourself whether it is genuine. Try to develop/push/evangelise non-microformats-centric/"IndieWeb" (whatever that is) approaches (eg RDFa). (twitter.com/_/status/1020246139495428096)
#
@jgmac1106 ↩️ @csarven Will agree on mf2 and microformats. Causes bunch of clean up headaches in WordPress themes. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4733-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020247254836367360)
#
@csarven ↩️ Great. Related: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2009-February/012821.html , http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2009-February/012822.html ;) You understanding is a bit skewed. It isn't "metadata" the way mf/IWC talks about it. What are you looking for eg. https://schema.org/Person , https://schema.org/Article ? How about https://www.w3.org/TR/vcard-rdf/ ? (twitter.com/_/status/1020252870778777600)
wakest[m] and schmarty[m] joined the channel
#
@csarven ↩️ Part baggage is outlined here: http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces-inconsistency-issue but it was quickly handwaved b/c ignorance on the matter is easier to govern. Related: http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces (originally before getting redirected!) is anecdotal evidence meanwhile the world still runs on ns. Hmmm? (twitter.com/_/status/1020258364977295361)
[jgmac1106] joined the channel
#
sknebel from temporarily >50 test failures down to 8.
#
tantek__ [jgmac1106]: mind if I add this to the testimonials page? https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1020254211043463168
#
Loqi [@jgmac1106] @csarven @fsteeg @schnarfed I started by looking at Metadata being used in #OpenEd spaces. This brought me to learn about JSON-LD and http://schema.org. Looked impossible to implement. Found mf2 said, “I can do that.” (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4745-2/)
#
[jgmac1106] [tantek] sure, it's all cc By-sa on my site anyway, but always a h/t for asking
#
tantek created /mf2 (+27) "r" (view diff)
#
tantek edited /testimonials (+205) "Greg McVerry testimonial" (view diff)
[wiobyrne] and dougbeal|mb1 joined the channel
#
sknebel Is there a case where we'd want to have whitespace at the start of a p- property? Only case I can think of in the code I'm working on right now is a pre block with indentation right at the beginning
barpthewire, [eddie], [jgmac1106], [Chris_Lott], [kim_landwehr], [snarfed], [wiobyrne], [cleverdevil], [miklb] and [dougbeal] joined the channel
#
KartikPrabhu sknebel: no I don't think so. the current code does not mess around with <pre> ayway
dougbeal|mb1, [philbowell], jackjamieson and [chrisaldrich] joined the channel
#
tantek edited /mailing-lists (+313) "/* Why to avoid negative behaviors */ consider required reading / viewing" (view diff)
[kim_landwehr] joined the channel
#
tantek edited /triples (-366) "Undo revision 64948 by [[Special:Contributions/Elf Pavlik|Elf Pavlik]] ([[User talk:Elf Pavlik|Talk]]), remove superfluous analogy of triples that has no technical merit" (view diff)
KartikPrabhu, [eddie] and [cleverdevil] joined the channel
#
@hex_pm microformats2 (0.2.0): A microformats2 parser (http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2) for Elixir https://hex.pm/packages/microformats2 (twitter.com/_/status/1020385416652959744)
[ryan339], KartikPrabhu, [pfefferle] and [manton] joined the channel
#
@tailorvj Could this be a reincarnation of microformats? (twitter.com/_/status/1020401939115323395)
#
gRegorLove I think that requires them dying first. Still going strong. :) ^
tantek, [eddie], [kim_landwehr], [jgmac1106] and pniedzielski[m] joined the channel
#
gregorlove created /representative-h-card-authoring (+1417) "h-card-specific version" (view diff)
#
tantek gRegorLove++ thank you!!!
#
Loqi gregorlove has 36 karma in this channel (261 overall)
#
gregorlove edited /representative-hcard-authoring (-16) "link to latest version" (view diff)
#
gregorlove edited /representative-hcard-authoring (+2) "correct latest link" (view diff)
#
gRegorLove tantek, Is this line still correct for representative h-card? "works with both h-card-only parsers/crawlers and XFN-only parsers/crawlers"
#
gRegorLove I'm rusty on XFN
[miklb] joined the channel
#
tantek sadly IDK of any current/active XFN-only parsers/crawlers
#
tantek better to remove it unless we know of some in particular that we can cite
#
tantek let's err on the side of accuracy instead of marketing :)
[eddie] joined the channel
#
gregorlove edited /representative-h-card-authoring (-73) "remove XFN parser claim; if you have citations otherwise, please update" (view diff)
#
gregorlove created /representative-h-card (+471) "stub, see also links with h-card page variants (some redlinked, may not be necessary?)" (view diff)
#
gregorlove created /representative_h-card (+35) "redirect" (view diff)
[chrisaldrich] joined the channel
#
gRegorLove Re https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-07-20#t1532124024968500
#
Loqi [[jgmac1106]] Not sure if that was right. Was advice I got. I find description of u-uid ND u-url hard to understand the difference
#
gRegorLove [jgmac1106], uid specifies the unique identifier, usually a canonical URL using the property u-uid. If you have u-url and u-uid on the same element, consumers can identify "this is the canonical h-*". For h-cards, if that URL is the current page, consumers can identify it as the representative h-card.
#
KartikPrabhu also if your h-card has multiple urls like your website, your Twitter etc... then u-url for all of them, but u-uid for the primary identity you use
#
gRegorLove It's also used in https://indieweb.org/authorship#How_to_determine. If you link your author attribute to another page (author-page), that author-page should have an h-card with u-url == u-uid == author-page
#
gRegorLove aaronpk does that in his homepage h-card
#
gRegorLove "should." there's more options in the authorship algorithm
wakest[m], schmarty[m], [manton] and tantek__ joined the channel