#wordpress 2018-12-09
2018-12-09 UTC
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jgmac1106 [tonz] but go to your mincro.blog page you will not see WP from RSS http://jgmac1106.micro.blog/ but I do see them on my activity stream when I send an RSS to micro.blog which post to Mastodon
# [jgmac1106] if you go to my public micro.blog it looks liek I never post
# jgmac1106 !tell @chrisaldrich can you retweet or publish something this: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/09/also-if-you-are-a-jetpack-please
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# [jgmac1106] i wish the naysayers didn't convince @gargron micropub was bad idea...but fediverse does concentrate power...and poor Eugene just gets pummeled no matter the choice...
# [jgmac1106] who would have though running gigantic social networks would be hard
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[tonz] yeah, I wrote a bit about the problem of concentration of users on a few instances, when Eugen blogged about Mastodon being successful/sustainable after 2 years. I disagree: there’s no longtail, 77% are on less than 1% of instances with Mastodon, and it needs that to be truly federated. Needs a funnel for people to go to smaller / indiv instances. https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/10/mastodon-turned-two-sustainability-not-yet-in-sight/
# [tonz] @GWG Listening to Matt’s State of the Word presentation, when I heard “get deep into blocks and deeper into JS” I thought, how does that last bit square up with the stated principle of democratization “Everyone can use it regardless of language, device, ability, income, location, or ….. technical proficiency
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cjwillcock GWG: In my experience, working with a design agency that uses WordPress regularly, the project-build has gotten completely away from using the in-house programming skills and is now into visual editors like Divi
# cjwillcock so whether gutenburg with blocks or Divi and other visual builders, I'm not a fan in general
# cjwillcock I'm holding out hope that everything I have learned to dislike about others, will not be the case with gutenburg
# cjwillcock replace WordPress
# cjwillcock I think we have to GWG :/
# cjwillcock I have always liked WordPress, but after working in other systems: Magento, Laravel - and coming back to WordPress, there is a lot in the server-side PHP to be desired
# cjwillcock I'm disappointed the emphasis is on JavaScript/Front-end when there is so much opportunity in the server-side PHP
# cjwillcock jgmac1106: I like what you've done there on your WP page with the 'blocks' on the bottom of the home page
# cjwillcock honestly, I know more about Johannes Gutenberg than about the WP thinger
# cjwillcock how long have you been working with WP, GWG?
# cjwillcock developer
# cjwillcock GWG: may I ask, how long a PHP programmer?
# cjwillcock whoa, in that congrats well met GWG!
# cjwillcock nice
# cjwillcock I would have guessed much longer
# cjwillcock windows, or Mac, or free software (which)?
# cjwillcock i mean, which Linux
# cjwillcock ooo, not one I have tried out
# cjwillcock are you stuck into Windows at work?
# cjwillcock i am intensely curious - hope you don't mind. All in the interests of future collaboration :D
# cjwillcock I did a Debian desktop for years, but got stuck back into Windows when I switched employers a while back
# cjwillcock I have debian servers for production, and I use Gentoo for my dev server that sits in my basement at home, for bleeding-edge stuff
# cjwillcock I've been using PHP 7.3 for a few months already on that one
# cjwillcock have you done much with server-side JS, the node show?
# cjwillcock I've noticed a lot of WP themes and plugins seem to have build-config scripts that require a nodejs run
# cjwillcock I haven't worked that out yet ...
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# [jgmac1106] [miklb] was investigating wordpress rig. looks like version 2 was released I wonder if we would build themes off of that: https://github.com/wprig/wprig/tree/v2.0
# [jgmac1106] if you php you can JS
# cjwillcock ^^^ disagree lol
# [jgmac1106] "WP Rig gives the developer an out of the box environment with support for modern technologies including ES2015, CSS grid, CSS custom properties (variables), and existing tools like Sass without making any configurations"
# cjwillcock JS is much more unforgiving
# [jgmac1106] ...shhhh....trying to build him up........
# cjwillcock jgmac1106: help me understand what you are pointing to
# [jgmac1106] this is a new framework for building themes called wprig
# [jgmac1106] [miklb] was looking at it to see if it can be a tool to create IndieWeb themes, making old themes compliant is fools gold maybe only possible with the rel="alternate" approach of mfs feed plugin.....which gets users but violates principle of human first readable metadata
# [jgmac1106] in htm;
# [jgmac1106] so its...do we want to empower more WP users...while breaking fndemantal POSH design choices
# [jgmac1106] and then in the issues it seems they want to remove all microformats and encourage use of JSON-LD because Google and Yoast say so
# [jgmac1106] and that is what matters most
# cjwillcock jgmac1106: YES, please
# cjwillcock I got to a6a parser in chrome extension, then stopped cause am not a research paper author :/
# cjwillcock javascripting lol
# cjwillcock -taking to dev
# cjwillcock fields API?
# cjwillcock is that in dev or already released?
# cjwillcock the core idea, I'm not familiar with that 'Fields API'
# [jgmac1106] would you then rely on post-type-discovery versus templating for creating?...could non-templating work in WP?
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