#indieweb 2018-04-04

2018-04-04 UTC
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[jgmac1106]
[tantek] there are some social feed themes for WP, none great, but the ones I have found all use some form of Buddypress. Not sure why but I have always hated the process of having to configure Buddypress, especially when you end up with 100+ users, I end up needing 4 dozen plug most of which aren't compatible with each other.
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Loqi
[[cleverdevil]] News flash: we are still weirdos. 😉
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gRegorLove
What was Persona?
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Loqi
Persona was an email-based authentication service from Mozilla that was supported by IndieAuth for rel-me links to email addresses; it was shut down November 30, 2016 https://indieweb.org/Persona
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gRegorLove
That Persona or something different?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "wakest shared a status by rmdes@mastodon.indie.host" on 2018-04-04 https://mastodon.social/@wakest/99799381187432385
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tantek
good evening #indieweb
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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tantek
good morning jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas
Hello tantek. Just about to leave for my morning walk. Back in an hour or so.
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tantek
that sounds quite pleasant. happy walk and may you have find peace and insights.
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tantek
I myself am writing/posting a few short notes before going to bed.
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tantek
Trying to restart a habit of posting positive things early in the morning and late at night before bed.
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jeremycherfas
Sogni d'oro. I mostly listen to podcasts on my walks, so there may indeed be insights and entertainment.
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@borismus
An independently hosted personal website is the most durable part of your online persona.
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Loqi
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Good to find another fellow in this quest of providing a secure and better way to keep in touch…" by Dario Castañé on 2018-04-04 https://medium.com/@im_dario/good-to-find-another-fellow-in-this-quest-of-providing-a-secure-and-better-way-to-keep-in-touch-bc02fce05a57?source=rss-------1
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Loqi
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Loqi
Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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tantek
[kevinmarks]: is there a time out?
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davy__
"Eugen @Gargron: No more responses needed, RIP webmentions, I'll pass" Oh well.
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Loqi
[Kevin Marks] @Gargron how about receiving webmentions on mastodon instances? They could show up in the notifications column.
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[kevinmarks]
!tell aaronpk is there a timeout on !rt ? How long is it?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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strk
hi, is there any "rel" tag meant to give kudos to others ?
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strk
I'm thinking about a server in which you want to allow or not to comment on your posts, where "you" is your "openid" (or similar) identifying URL
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strk
in order to make trust transitive I might tag my.dear/friend as someone I trust
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strk
and if my.dear/friend contains "rel trusted=someone/else" then my server could also trust "someone/else"
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strk
this is similar to what Google does for ranking websites
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strk
so I would have a "trust rank" being the number of people trusting someone
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[kevinmarks]
You could use xfn for that rel="friend" etc
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strk
and people I trust from people I trust could weight more
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strk
what's xfn ?
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[kevinmarks]
What is xfn?
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Loqi
XFN (XHTML Friends Network) is the network of visible links across blogs that claim various XFN relationships with/to each other https://indieweb.org/XFN
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[kevinmarks]
What is vouch?
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Loqi
The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention. Webmention with Vouch depends on understanding Webmention https://indieweb.org/Vouch
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[kevinmarks]
What you're describing sounds a lot like the vouch idea
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[kevinmarks]
Well, a step before the vouch idea in that it is a direct link, not an indirect one
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strk
yeah, vouch seems a good verb
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strk
and mentioning the voucher could be an hint, although I'd hope for it being a not-needed one
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strk
server should be able to discover automatically
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strk
management of such ranking would be hard (if you change idea over who's to trust or not)
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[joewillmott]
wowzers this place is bigger than anticipated!
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[joewillmott]
... and deader? 😞
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jeremych_
You didn't check for a pulse.
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[joewillmott]
but there it is anyway!
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petermolnar
[joewillmott]: there is a lag in communication on irc channels like this; many of us stay connected all the time, but only read it a few times during the day. Also keep in mind: time zones ;)
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jeremycherfas
The time stamp on those two posts is identical, for me. So, y'know ...
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[joewillmott]
It showed nobody online so I thought this place was dead... now there's 15 or so of you =D
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[kevinmarks]
there's a bridge from web and slack, so we show up in irc only when we post
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[kevinmarks]
and vice versa
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[joewillmott]
ah okay, didnt realise people were in irc
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skippy
IRC 4eva!
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[joewillmott]
i dont even know what this place is tbh... an old coursemate told me to "POSSE UP" so i read a bit about posse, then clicked around and ended up here 🙃
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jeremycherfas
Well, you're welcome anyway.
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[kevinmarks]
strk: the point of the commenter having to provide the vouch url is to put a bit more burden on them than the host, as they're the one hoping to get a comment displayed
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[kevinmarks]
do you have your own web site, joe?
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[joewillmott]
a big old collection of outdated websites, like everyone1
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petermolnar
whoa, mine is certainly not outdated, neither is most of the websites from the people in here
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[joewillmott]
so what goes down in here?
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petermolnar
this is the main channel of https://indieweb.org/
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[joewillmott]
really?? how do people keep their websites updated!? client work occupies about 110% of my time 😞
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[joewillmott]
having a nice, up-to-date website with fresh content, that's built with care & consideration... that's the dream 😍
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jeremycherfas
Then you've come to the right place, when you are ready.
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petermolnar
one of the main problems that has been addressed lately was to make it simpler to post to your own site; I'd recommend looking into https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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[kevinmarks]
and how to wire it back and forth to the silos
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[joewillmott]
heh, the schedule is disgustingly crammed atm with people wanting projects ready for winter, but im sure once spring is in full-swing there will be a bit of breathing room where i can drag my website out of 1997
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[joewillmott]
oh golly okay
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petermolnar
is your website powered by any CMS or it's completely custom made?
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[kevinmarks]
for winter? are you southern hemisphere?
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[joewillmott]
100% wordpress and pre-made things. i havent had time to dev for yeeeears
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petermolnar
in that case, join the #indieweb-wordpress channel as well, and start here: https://indieweb.org/WordPress and here: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_on_WordPress
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skippy
this community is one way to approach decentralized networked communication, with an eye toward owning one's data. it's still a work-in-progress in many ways, and not for everyone yet.
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[joewillmott]
being a dev at a few agencies meant getting increasingly frustrated at decisions made by the UX teams, but being a dev meant i couldn't get heard... so i dropped the dev life for UX and life is sweeeeet
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[kevinmarks]
we need more UX thinking here.
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jeremycherfas
Kevinmarks++ for ^
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Loqi
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[joewillmott]
that's what i gathered, Skippy. that's the kind of future i wouldn't know where to help or breakthrough, but the idea behind it will create a future i very much want to embrace
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skippy
lots of ways to participate and help. just hanging out and giving positive vibes to community participants is helpful. :)
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jeremycherfas
If you are into UX and WordPress, that's an area right there.
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[joewillmott]
Right well I'm at work and I cannot possibly keep reading the indieweb website without somebody saying "you dont look like youre working!" so i shall revert to lurk mode
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jeremycherfas
Bye for now.
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strk
wonders if "make it easier to publis" is A Good Thing for humanity :)
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strk
I know for myself that ease of publishing made me publish a cat playing with a bird...
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petermolnar
politely asks strk to read https://petermolnar.net/internet-emotional-core/ because it resonates with the question
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strk
(latest micropost on mastodon)
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Loqi
[Peter Molnar] The internet that took over the Internet
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@kevinmarks
↩️ the pattern we have in http://chat.indieweb.org is a good one - there's a bot that looks for "what is ___?" and if there's a wiki page for that, it shows the summary and link. If there isn't a wiki page it asks the channel for a summary and remembers it.
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petermolnar
I didn't get much reaction to that entry and I'm curious what others think
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skippy
i had a fascinating conversation with my step-daughter last night about the ease of networked communication today. We live in Ohio, she's going to university in Toronto, Canada in the fall. She's already found a bunch of other incomign freshmen and has started developing friends.
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strk
I don't have time to read that now (and it's clear it wasn't "easy" to publish that either) but will send it to some reading device for later, thanks !:)
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skippy
some folks have already found would-be roommates. all through Facebook groups, and Tumblr and Twitter, etc. totally self-organized.
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skippy
THAT is the value of all of this work, in my mind. The profit motive of the silo providers works counter to those benefits.
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petermolnar
that's what the "social" in networks used meant to be (does this phrase make sense?)
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skippy
when I went to university, I didnt know anyone that didnt go with me.
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petermolnar
before it meant instant fame
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skippy
aye, petermolnar. now it's all about "viral" and follower counts and such.
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skippy
never mind that so many followers are bots, and not real humans.
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@emilybell
Here is a killer quote for all you growth managers from @ndiakopoulos ‘trending is over’ and he is right . https://www.cjr.org/tow_center/bots-manipulate-trends.php https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ3HygxW0AUSEmm.jpg
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aaronpk
Yes I think there's a 15? minute timeout on !rt
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Loqi
aaronpk: [kevinmarks] left you a message 3 hours, 44 minutes ago: is there a timeout on !rt ? How long is it?
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@calum_ryan
Folks it's London's Homebrew Website Club tonight from 7pm Proven Dough cafe @ The Hub hotel Brick Lane #indieweb 👉 @hwclondon (https://calumryan.com/note/1464)
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@JohnONolan
After 4 years of running a (11,000 member) public Slack community for @TryGhost — today we’ve decided to shut the whole thing down for good. I’ve got a few interesting observations to share from the experience, and what we’re moving to now instead. And so beginneth the thread:
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klandwehr
Hello
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[kevinmarks]
hi klandwehr
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@jgmac1106
↩️ until your kids wants to share a video or stream from their video game system in a live broadcast. Until we get there #indieweb will still be a niche of nerds. Just glad we keep getting more nerds
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sknebel
Loqi, link?
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strk
it's @jgmac1106 you want to address, not Loqi (who's a bot)
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[joewillmott]
There's no such thing as nerds anymore
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[joewillmott]
Nerds got left in the nineties
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[tantek]
New indieweb coders are being grown and taught every day: https://twitter.com/ethanwhite/status/980943539721863169
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@ethanwhite
8 yo: We're learning to make websites at school. Me: Awesome, are you using Google Sites or something. 8 yo opens a text editor and types in 6 valid lines of html. Me: ... 8 yo: Dad, why are you crying?
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[jgmac1106]
[joewillmott] not sure I agree. What I think happened was nerd as an insult was left in the nineties when all the nerds became the bosses in 00s. Now worn more with badge of honor rather than insult. I didn't go into CompSci because I feared the social backlash after getting made fun of doing a demo of a basic program I wrote in 6th grade (and I hated PASCAL and that is all middle school taught after an annoying how to use Office class)
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[tantek]
(Needs white space line breaks to make sense)
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[tantek]
8 year olds can learn HTML with a text editor. So can you, if you want to
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sknebel
strk: no, I was wondering why Loqi didn't report the link of the tweet (yes, I know Loqi is a bot ;))
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strk
@ethanwhite your kid ? you must have been so proud of him !
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[jgmac1106]
[joewillmott] just thinking what would it take to get folks who are so dependent on easy an UX to share massive media files through networks that do codec wizardry.
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[joewillmott]
Nah jgmac I think nerds don't exist, not because it became "cool" - but because young people are the people that see others as nerds. When you're older you don't think "what a nerd!" you think "what a clever bugger" - but young people, kids even, are learning the kind of stuff that would've made an adult a "nerd" in their eyes back in the old days...
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[joewillmott]
I know what I'm trying to say 😞
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[jgmac1106]
best part about @ethanwhite story is you would never even have to worry about COPPA as its done locally
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[joewillmott]
Also it would take hiding the tough stuff from them
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[joewillmott]
Any decisions they have to make, make it for them, handle things behind the scenes... idk
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[joewillmott]
it sounds way more complicated than anything I know things about 😛
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[jgmac1106]
...off to class...where ten weeks in I still can only get 60% to correctly share a link to a wordpress blogpost. Most just copy the link to their WP editor
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[joewillmott]
nooooo
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[joewillmott]
SURELY not 😮
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[jgmac1106]
@joewillmot I have done ton of videos , gif casts, and written tutorials just to teach whah it a url and how do I share one. Something about the new WP editor makes it hard for them to find the link when they hit publish. I also blame Apple for deprecating the URL in Safari..Many of my students hurt by the power of default
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[jgmac1106]
COPPA compliance is really hard and most companies will just stay away from anyone under 13 years old....Waiting to see the 16+ impact of GDPR on edtech Always a problem when we were building learning tools at Mozilla since email is sign on du jour
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[tantek]
[jgmac1106] set them up with Firefox then ;)
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[jgmac1106]
[tantek], that is usually the first lesson: Never use Safari
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[jgmac1106]
I am so excited for Firefox Reality, been telling anyone who would listen (and those who don't want to) that lowcost WebVR will be the better play since I tried it on Nightly a few years back. Even I can use A-Frame to make stuff.
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[jgmac1106]
...funny we are trying to get people to drag their websites back to 1997
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[joewillmott]
made the switch back to safari 5 years ago and loving it 😎
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[jgmac1106]
Every single incoming class at our UNI gets a a private facebook group. They then share there snaps and instagram accounts to connect away from the sanctioned group, but that FB is showing to be a huge part of retention funnel
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[jgmac1106]
I like the devtools in Safari but too much just doesn't work, like every plus once latest FF dropped it was no question. All the speed and all the privacy. I am in
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kaushalmodi
A conversation about webmentions that I am having on Mastodon: https://social.heldscal.la/notice/6832236, if someone else wants to chime in.
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Loqi
[Hallå Kitteh] Kaushal Modi
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kaushalmodi
(remove that comma after the link, I believe that comma shouldn't be auto-included as part of that hyperlink)
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[jgmac1106]
[tantek] was thinking we should get an #indieweb project going for upcoming Mozilla Global Sprints. Maybe an online homebrewclub for people new but try to find a "good first bug" project to attract devs to indieweb spirit
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tantek
[jgmac1106]: good idea! should we ask in #indieweb-dev for ideas?
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chrisaldrich
strk: The @ethanwhite comment above was an unfurled link from twitter courtesy of Loqi based on tantek's link in the line just above it. EthanWhite isn't someone actually here in the chat.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Following Christoph Ducamp" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-04-04 http://boffosocko.com/2018/04/04/christoph-ducamp/
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chrisaldrich
Is there a central list of indieweb users who are primarily non-English speaking?
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chrisaldrich
/IRC_people has some implied data via location, but it could stand to be more explicit.
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tantek
chrisaldrich: interesting - perhaps we can ask for examples of existing publishing?
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tantek
i.e. how do people publish on their home page that they speak other languages? (to reframe as a positive instead of "non-English speaking" )
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tantek
what are translations
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Loqi
translations are alternative versions of posts that have been translated (rewritten with the intent of maintaining meaning) into another language https://indieweb.org/translations
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tantek
chrisaldrich: ^^^ try starting there
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tantek
hey [jgmac1106] where are you based? can you make it to a Homebrew Website Club tonight?
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chrisaldrich
Interesting, I actually frame non-English speaking as a postive thing. :) But it's probably better to frame it neutrally in either case.
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jalcine
same - I'm trying to use that to help me learn more languages too
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jalcine
Translating content by hand helps
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KartikPrabhu
jalcine++
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Loqi
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tantek
chrisaldrich: you may think of "non-English speaking" as a positive, but the very use of "non-" (a negating) prefix is negative framing
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KartikPrabhu
also speaking/wirting in other languanges is not the same as "non-English speaking"
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chrisaldrich
I've got some passable Spanish, French, and even Latin, but I'm better at writing/reading and not so good at conversation. Over the past year I'm doing more in Japanese using immersive methods....
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jalcine
KartikPrabhu: the languages I'd go for are 'native' to me heritage wise; it's more for studying to be honest. And it's a pretty tonal language - how it's written reflects pronouncation
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jalcine
Haitian Kreyol is the language
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chrisaldrich
Primarily I'm interested in pointing people to better resources for indieweb when their native languages are French, Spanish, Japanese, etc.
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KartikPrabhu
jalcine: yes, my "native" languages are also phonetically written :)
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chrisaldrich
I know there are translations of several pages, but we don't have nearly enough.
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jalcine
chrisaldrich: Indeed.
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jalcine
I know there's a service for this, CrowdIn
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jalcine
(I think)
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tantek
chrisaldrich - there are some indieweb translations in progress - did you check the home page?
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tantek
feel free to help out!
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chrisaldrich
I've seen those, yes, but just wishing there were more.
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chrisaldrich
And also wishing my abilities were up for improving that front, but alas....
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tantek
chrisaldrich: wikipedia's various multilingual resources were also built one page at a time
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tantek
I bet there's some at least some minor improvements you could do with the languages you have "passable" experience with
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jalcine
it's a lot of work but good work
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chrisaldrich
I also half expected language to be part of h-card data....
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chrisaldrich
goes to see what Zegnat's done....
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calumryan
hello from HWC London
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[kevinmarks]
sorry I didn't make it this week
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calumryan
kevinmarks: might arrange another one for the 18th if you’re down
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Site Deaths" by Calum Ryan on 2018-04-04 https://medium.com/@calumryan/site-deaths-ef9c0fb46e29?source=rss-------1
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@gtalug
The next #GTALUG meeting is on Tuesday, April 10 at 7:30pm. We have presentation on IndieWeb, GitAnnex and Unison. https://gtalug.org/meeting/2018-04/ at George Vari Engineering and Computing Centre -- 245 Church Street, Room 203.
(twtr.io/1cQL1y57rFC)
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[sdepolo]
[aaronpk] would you be interested in writing something about your new indieweb reader for the GoDaddy blog? We have a post due on Monday 4/9, any chance you’d be able to write something by then? I enjoyed your post on building it: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/17/building-an-indieweb-reader and the post for our audience would need to be an intro to what an indieweb reader is and why people would care with a link to your post for the detail
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Building an IndieWeb Reader
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aaronpk
[sdepolo]: I think I can manage that!
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aaronpk
about how long of a post do you think?
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tantek
good day #indieweb
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[joewillmott]
The agency I work at requires all employees to write blog posts for the company website, which is fine. I've got blog post ideas flowing out of my head all day long. I write down the ideas, but I want them to be MINE. As such, I only write the worst ones up on the company blog, saving the good ones for if the day ever comes when I write up my own stuff. The problem is, because I write the rubbish ones, my peers/boss are starting to think I don
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[joewillmott]
Don't get me wrong here; I *know* this isn't the actual reason behind indieweb, but it's semi-sort-of-related and something that's been bugging me the last few months...:
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[joewillmott]
understand... things - that I don't see the bigger picture of why we do what we do.
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[joewillmott]
I'd be fine to write up some of the better posts, if I still OWNED them... like I could re-publish them on my own blog in the future (when I eventually move on from this job). Does anyone know if that'd be legally classed as theft, or is it okay? I fully understand it's a bit of a dick move, but being a dick is just part of getting shit done. It's the legal aspect that worries me.
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schmarty
What is Indieweb for Journalism?
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Loqi
Indieweb for Journalism is the application of Indieweb principles to one's personal site with a particular emphasis on use cases for journalists, photographers, editors, related bloggers and platforms which are publishing their work https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Journalism
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[chrisaldrich]
If you're writing on company time then it's generally considered work product.
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[chrisaldrich]
You could ask to be able to republish them on your site after the fact.
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schmarty
[joewillmott]: ^^ there may be some applicable examples in there
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schmarty
whether you can republish the work you do for the company on your own site will depend on the agreement you have with your company
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[chrisaldrich]
I think most companies would allow that, particularly with a link back
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[chrisaldrich]
You could say you want it as part of your portfolio
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tantek
you may also consider negotiating for 1) publishing on your own site either immediately after (PESOS), or perhaps after some embargo period (3-6 mo?) after each post published date, and 2) have copyright in the content fully revert to you if they choose to unpublish your posts (permalinks) for any reason or in anyway (say like site-death.
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[chrisaldrich]
You might also ask them to publish your material (and others in the company) with a particular license which could then give you and others the ability to do these things.
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tantek
like Creative Commons
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[chrisaldrich]
If they're doing it to promote the company's work they should probably have a reasonable license anyway.
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tantek
good suggestion [chrisaldrich] - that may be a nice way to get broader permissions to PESOS etc.
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tantek
I still think asking for copyright upon unpublishing is worth it - given companies often take things down years later just out of neglect
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aaronpk
I got that exact thing into a contract
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tantek
aaronpk: wow
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tantek
ok that's deserving of documentation then as a real world example
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tantek
what do we even call that?
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aaronpk
if the site goes down (literally if they stop "using" the content), then I notify them, and if they don't do anything for 12 months then the exclusivity clause is revoked and I am able to publish it elsewhere myself
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tantek
that's great
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tantek
hmm perhaps exclusivity is the thing to document this under - since publishers often ask for that
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tantek
what is exclusivity
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "exclusivity" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "exclusivity is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
and this week in silos gonna silo - whoa this article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/all-the-data-facebook-google-has-on-you-privacy -- did someone already post this here?
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snarfed
i've syndicated a few work blog posts on my site. eg https://snarfed.org/2016-08-31_channeling-the-hacker-way
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Loqi
[Ryan Barrett] Channeling the hacker way
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tantek
do you have general permission to do so, or is it one of those they don't care enough to bother? or do you have encouragement/support to broaden the "reach" of your work blog posts however you want?
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snarfed
definitely general permission/encouragement. always get that beforehand, don't go rogue :P
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[joewillmott]
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't care if I did it now... but one day I intend to be competition++ so I should probably get it written somewhere in my contract that they only get exclusivity for X time or something
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snarfed
we didn't do any explicit licensing or copyright though
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[joewillmott]
hmmmm thanks for bringing up a few interesting points, guys. given me plenty of things to explore and consider
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[chrisaldrich]
What are publishing rights?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "publishing rights" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "publishing rights is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich]
I often negotiate for authors and writers, so I'll try to flesh something out when I'm back in the office.
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[sdepolo]
[aaronpk] thanks, the word count between 1000-1500 is perfect. info about our style here: https://www.godaddy.com/garage/contribute/
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tantek
chrisaldrich - want to start with the "exclusivity" dfn? that seems like a good very specific (potential harm) to document, applicable to journalism and academia publishing
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tantek
what is exclusivity
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "exclusivity" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "exclusivity is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks]
Even if you do work for hire, keeping clips is usually OK, and expected.
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tantek
what is work for hire
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "work for hire" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "work for hire is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk
speaking of exclusivity and republishing, would I be able to publish this on my website later [sdepolo]?
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tantek
or even simultaneously
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[cleverdevil]
Good afternoon, IndieWeb!
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davy__
Good afternoon!
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tantek
hey did this every happen?
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Loqi
Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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tantek
guess not
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tantek
unless Loqi doesn't know to check to see if it was already retweeted or not
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aaronpk
if it's already been retweeted twitter will return an error trying to RT it again
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tantek
re-reads the logs from earlier
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tantek
hmm this looks worth capturing somewhere future-discoverable: https://twitter.com/emilybell/status/981159968404574208
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@emilybell
Here is a killer quote for all you growth managers from @ndiakopoulos ‘trending is over’ and he is right . https://www.cjr.org/tow_center/bots-manipulate-trends.php https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ3HygxW0AUSEmm.jpg
(twtr.io/1cM_PEkYHGo)
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tantek
what is trending
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Loqi
Trends is a feature on social media silos that shows the some of the most popular hashtags (AKA Trending hashtags), links, news articles, words, or phrases that are being used or cited in posts, and have been criticized on Facebook & Twitter for being manipulated by bots and/or showing conspiracy theories at the top https://indieweb.org/trending
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://twitter.com/emilybell/status/981159968404574208" to the "See Also" section of /trends
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davy__
Anyone have a more casual word for "Article"?
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davy__
I'm just setting up a category system for my site, and "Article" seems too formal for me. I'm no journalist.
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tantek
davy__: "blog post" :)
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sknebel
"entry"?
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tantek
sknebel: in English, entry implies "log entry" and those are usually just dated, not named
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tantek
whereas "article" and "blog post" usually have explicit names
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tantek
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
kartikprabhu has 154 karma in this channel (192 overall)
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tantek
what is an essay
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "essay" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "essay is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
what is HTML
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Loqi
HTML (HyperText Markup Language) is the language used to create web pages, thus one of the building blocks of the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/HTML
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://twitter.com/ethanwhite/status/980943539721863169" to the "See Also" section of /HTML
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aaronpk
suggests moving the rapid Loqi querying and wikifying to #indieweb-meta
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tantek
good call
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davy__
Heh, Blog post should have come to mind. It must have been in my head's blind spot
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davy__
Though now that I think about it, I do like "Entry"
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tantek
davy__: you only have one? lucky :)
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[sdepolo]
yes [aaronpk] you are welcome to post the content on your own site too. We ask that you wait a few days first and mention that it appeared first on the GoDaddy Garage blog and include a connonical tag
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tantek
^^^ good example of an embargo
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tantek
what is an embargo
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "embargo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "embargo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk
sounds good!
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tantek
embargo in the context of the indieweb likely refers to the publishing practice of requiring [[exclusive]] rights to publish an article by an author on a publisher’s website, some amount of time (typicaly days, sometimes months) before the author publishes it on their own personal site.
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tantek
embargo is in the context of the indieweb, the publishing practice of requiring [[exclusive]] rights to publish an article by an author on a publisher’s website, some amount of time (typicaly days, sometimes months) before the author publishes it on their own personal site.
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tantek
aaronpk, [sdepolo] feel free to add your post(s) as examples there ^^^ :)
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tantek
anyone here actively thinking / working on one or more indieweb sites for their business instead of personal sites?
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tantek
what is indieweb for business
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb for business" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "indieweb for business is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
hopes [chrisaldrich] will help out :)
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[sdepolo]
[tantek] do you mean examples of indieweb for business posts?
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tantek
[sdepolo] yes, all my indie events I posted last year for yoga classes I taught with a suggested donation
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Loqi
Sunday Vinyasa yoga at Presidio Picnic!
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[kevinmarks]
Example business I am randomly helping
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[kevinmarks]
I could just make them a website too
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tantek
[kevinmarks] or perhaps make them a profile on one domain, with an offer to upgrade them to their own domain for $x / year, minimum n (5?) years prepaid.
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tantek
that way you avoid enabling your domain "habit" ;)
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tantek
or rather you make it pay for itself
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tantek
has also thought about this as a way to spin-off his own indie venues
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[jgmac1106]
[tantek] I am running a series of classes with our Chamber of Commerce to try to get local businesses off of facebook and onto their own websites where they syndicate links....trying to the same with my sons Cub Scout troop. Having better luck with the small businesses.
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tantek
[jgmac1106]++ that is amazing
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Loqi
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tantek
definitely report back on what happens / updates!
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[jgmac1106]
I get a few side gigs out of it. In terms of charging (I know its low) but moving to monthly fees versus a flat fee for a website. I get MRR but the real goal is to get everyone to do it themselves
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[jgmac1106]
A couple people launched a weekly for profit paper since we haven't had one in decades. Going to try and see if I can get them to spin up a forum or something. facebook is the only way to get any local updates...Not having as much luck on this...and of course I will blog about it....Funny thing is facebook was a major for funnel for identifying folks who want to be off facebook. I deactivated again
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[jgmac1106]
a lot of bartering, a few kind trades, build me a closet I will build you a website and teach you how to run it
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[jgmac1106]
Websites for creatives easier to introduce indieweb, share what you make or build everywhere, when working retail just learning how to do inventory, tax, etc so much work. Guess the question would be what would an indieweb backend for retail look like? Would there even be a point? I also have a FT job, and run a company with four employees so client work time hard to squeeze in. Helps I can think about as giving back to town
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[jgmac1106]
but I am a hypocrite my own business isn't as open (our blogs are all indieweb powered) as I want but that's more about not being the controlling partner.
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snarfed
i think most traditional ecommerce and other online business techniques apply. you don't need indieweb-specific tools per se. a domain, decent data portability, and ideally mf2 + wms etc are really all it takes.
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snarfed
ie we don't need to reinvent the world :P