#indieweb 2019-09-26

2019-09-26 UTC
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jhsheridan Is there any known/planned resolution to the Instagram API issues with OwnYourGram and Bridgy? Or should I just give up on Instagram for now? Are there other solutions?
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jhsheridan Can anyone provide some insight on separating likes and retweets from comments on twitter using bridgy. I'm trying to do something similar to what David Shanske is doing here: https://david.shanske.com/2019/04/28/indieauth-for-wordpress-question/#comments
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aaronpk jhsheridan: bridgy seems to be doing better with instagram than I am
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aaronpk I did just write up instructions for self hosting ownyourgram which in theory should work better since you won't be sharing the rate limits with everyone else
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jhsheridan ohhh that's a good idea.
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aaronpk When I get another chance I'm gonna try running it on my laptop so that it runs from different IP addresses all the time
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jhsheridan ownyourgram is awesome btw... thanks for making it. So infuriating they're rate limiting you guys.
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jhsheridan aaronpk: where can I find the instructions for self-hosting?
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aaronpk There's a link to the source code in the footer, it's in the readme on github
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jhsheridan perfect.. thanks!
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aaronpk And let me know how goes. I wrote that on the plane and haven't actually tested out the instructions myself yet
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jhsheridan will do!
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jhsheridan So theoretically, everyone could just be running their own ownyourgram locally?
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aaronpk Yea
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aaronpk if that ends up being the only practical solution I'll probably go to some extra lengths to make it even easier to install
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[Lewis_Cowles] “docker + heroku”…
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[Lewis_Cowles] 😉
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[Rose] My project for Monday night: Self host OwnYourGram!
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[dominik] I have this voice in the back of my head that keeps whispering: "Finally something to do with a Raspberry!"
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aaronpk Haha heroku has the same problems as now
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petermolnar [tantek]: re slow web: http://www.rebeccablood.net/archive/2010/06/a_slow_web.html ?
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jhsheridan aaronpk: 'm able to get all the way to this step: mysql -u ownyourgram -pownyourgram < schema/schema.sql
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jhsheridan then I get access denied
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jhsheridan even tho I'm able to login to mysql using something simple like mysql -u ownyourgram -p and then using the password
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[Rose] We should continue this in dev
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jhsheridan oh I wasn't even aware of the dev room... haha!
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Loqi yea
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[Rose] I think I accidentally invited you on Slack,
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jhsheridan I'm using hexchat
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jhsheridan I can use slack tho if that's easier
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[Rose] hexchat is fine, the channel is #indieweb-dev
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[Rose] what is discuss?
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Loqi Join the #indieweb discussions via the web, Slack, IRC, or Matrix interfaces now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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[Rose] All the channels are listed in the link Loqi just provided 🙂
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[Rose] !tell aaronpk There's a typo in the SQL schema creation, I just created a pull request to fix that. For some reason it failed the travis check? https://github.com/aaronpk/OwnYourGram/pull/86
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [RosemaryOrchard] #86 Typo fix in the mysql schema creation command
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[Rose] The command "./vendor/bin/phpunit --bootstrap vendor/autoload.php tests" exited with 2. 😐
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[Rose] I don't think that's my fault, having only changed the readme that would be impressive 😛
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Zegnat [Rose]: nothing is going to pass Travis as it stands, I think
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Zegnat That it exited with 2, that just means not to continue other cli commands (serious problem). And is because the unit tests did not pass
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Zegnat `lib/config.travis.php` does not contain an xray config (`lib/config.template.php` does). I think that is the culprit.
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Zegnat In case you feel like another PR, [Rose] ;)
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[Rose] Should I also add the $igCookie?
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[Rose] I feel like I should for consistency
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[Rose] I left it out
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Zegnat You’d think it was hacktoberfest already!
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[Rose] October this year will be filled with writing my book that's due at the start of November, Sadly little time for hacking, except as relaxation after writing
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jgmac1106 well put the book on GitHub and keep sending yoruself PRs….hacking as authoring
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[JHSheridan] [jgmac1106] moving this here b/c I don't want to clutter up the dev room. I agree w/ you that silos vs solely using your own site is a personal choice. And I think the critical mass thing is really where the problem is. Building my indieweb site has really forced me to think hard about how I want to interact with the silos
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[JHSheridan] b/c it's no longer just "hmm... my indieweb site could work this way or that way" it's "I'm gonna have to write the code to make them interact with this silo or that silo" lol
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jgmac1106 yes, you have to decide between the investment of time, the need to connect, and the politics of the silos
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jgmac1106 I liked manton idea of open gardens versus walled gardens all the fqcebook silos are getting more and more restrictive with APIs cutting off both read and write access and not playing nice with the open web
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jgmac1106 you can choose places like micro.blog that reduce the amount of work you have to do to share photos beacuse they have committment to open protocols
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[JHSheridan] I think maybe I'll leave instagram behind. While the work with ownyourgram and bridgy is amazing, I can't imagine things ever get LESS restricted. Only more.
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[JHSheridan] maybe just make twitter the only completely closed silo I interact with. And have some interaction with mastodan too despite the microformats debacle.
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[jgmac1106] tim chambers has a fork of mastodon at indieweb.social welcome to hack away on that, the mf2 support in mastodon isn't toobad at all, more philosophical differences on privacy and security of webmentions
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[JHSheridan] I gotcha.
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GWG Morning
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lucacavallaro[m] good morning :D
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Loqi good morning
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[JHSheridan] morning!
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jgmac1106 an HTML and CSS only timeline layout be a fun IWC project: https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/timeline3/latest/embed/index.html?source=1OytLGpIbCAm9mBemq3R_7o0shfsq8MxdSY2WkacsKhQ&font=Default&lang=en&initial_zoom=2&height=650 not sure I want to trust Knight Lab timelines to be around forever
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jeremycherfas Good morning all.
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[Lewis_Cowles] Good morning to you [jeremycherfas] and a good morning to all others
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[Lewis_Cowles] It’s not morning here but caffiene 😂
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jeremycherfas Just a figure of speech.
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[jgmac1106] What is utg?
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[jgmac1106] oops
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "utg" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "utg is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] I quir
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[snarfed] heh
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[snarfed] re mastodon, i love tim's enthusiasm, but https://indieweb.social/ really seems like the wrong idea. the whole point of indieweb is to own your data _on your own domain_ to interact with people on the web. so i'm not sure why he/we'd encourage people to use a silo instead, even an open silo like mastodon
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[snarfed] syndicating from your site to mastodon (or backward) seems fine, just like another silo. federating seems even better, and we have great examples of that: p3k, pfefferle's wordpress plugin, bridgy fed, etc. more discussion and stats on those in #indieweb-wordpress recently
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[snarfed] anyway. sorry to rain on indieweb.social's parade. i really do appreciate the energy and effort, just seems like the wrong direction
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aaronpk i tried to say the same earlier, just maybe not as explicitly
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Loqi aaronpk: [Rose] left you a message 7 hours, 41 minutes ago: There's a typo in the SQL schema creation, I just created a pull request to fix that. For some reason it failed the travis check? https://github.com/aaronpk/OwnYourGram/pull/86
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[snarfed] thx aaronpk
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aaronpk found it https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-08-06#t1565108904139700
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Loqi [aaronpk] [timothy_chambers] Mastodon isn't really a forum, so even though some people create instances for specific communities, it's more about creating that instance for the governance of the specific community than to have a place to talk. I know myself an...
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[snarfed] :thumbsup:. and for completeness: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/843
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Loqi [ngm] #843 Support for Mastodon instances
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[snarfed] we've discussed whether we should prefer federation or syndication before, right?
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[snarfed] federation obviously seems preferable, but also clearly more difficult right now at least
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