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@swentel The #indieweb module for #drupal now contains a Microsub server. Channels and timeline actions are implemented, so readers work already fine! More info about Microsub at https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1056531796077277184)
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@drupal8modules New #beta version released for #drupal8 #module indieweb (8.x-1.0-beta3). More info: https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1056533634176507904)
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@drupalcampbe Get up to speed about the #indieweb by attending the #drupalcampbe session of @swentel ➡️ https://drupalcamp.be/en/drupalcamp-ghent-2018/session/being-social-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1056537348689813504)
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[tantek] swentel++ wow! is that the *second* Microsub server implementation?
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[tantek] In other news, spread the word, new last minute session I worked with the MozFest wranglers to create at MozFest on "Decentralized Web Standards: From ActivityPub to Webmention" in room 604
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[tantek] hmm should I post a last minute Indie Event for this session?
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aaronpk Nice! At least add to the wiki
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aaronpk swentel++ for another Microsub server!
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[tantek] aaronpk is that the second implementation? that's huge if that's true
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[tantek] time for a test suite?
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sknebel its the third or fourth, depending on what you count I think
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sebsel oh, I should hurry if I want to make the top 5 then :o
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aaronpk It's been a while since I've made a test suite haha
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aaronpk I need to do one for IndieAuth too
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@drupal8modules New #beta version released for #drupal8 #module indieweb (8.x-1.0-beta4). More info: https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1056546235673387008)
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@jgmac1106 IndieWebCamp May 5-12, 2014: https://indieweb.org/this-week/2014-05-12.html (twitter.com/_/status/1056548564002881538)
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[tantek] sknebel if it's the 3rd or 4th, you should be able to point to the list of implementations on /Microsub#Implementations
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[tantek] or rather https://indieweb.org/Microsub#Servers
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[tantek] and "is building" is not the same as built and usable
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[tantek] we should distinguish those
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[tantek] ready to use and live
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[tantek] vs in progress
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Loqi it is probable
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@jgmac1106 IndieWeb chat mention of generations: https://chat.indieweb.org/2014-03-09/1394327452000000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056554825347928064)
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@jgmac1106 Why We Need the #IndieWeb: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1056554982068109313)
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@jgmac1106 Discussion of Generations as a planned design constraint: https://chat.indieweb.org/2014-03-09/1394327689000000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056555948297338882)
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@jgmac1106 Defining #IndieWeb membership: https://chat.indieweb.org/2014-04-24/1398375095000000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056556939562364928)
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@jgmac1106 IndieWeb; Join us! - http://jeena.net: https://jeena.net/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1056558536237465601)
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@jgmac1106 On Why IndieWeb : https://chat.indieweb.org/2014-04-24/1398372491000000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056559440323903488)
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@jgmac1106 Acknowledging the technical barriers: https://chat.indieweb.org/2014-08-22#t1408742710353000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056561545025601536)
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@jgmac1106 @timmmmyboy I agree. There's also some thoughts on how to grow ... • Aaron Parecki: https://aaronparecki.com/2015/05/16/5/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1056562142957199360)
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2018-301-mozfest1.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2018-301-mozfest1.jpg"
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Do like#IndieWeb model of encouraging participation by starting WITH contributors goals rather than an institutional goals. Do wonder if this is easier when donating to open source projects with no governance rather than those with formal… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/10/28/cmcd_phd-do-likeindieweb-model-of-encouraging-participation (twitter.com/_/status/1056564094768164864)
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[jgmac1106] !tell tantek picture if you need one for the event page later: https://twitter.com/Downes/status/1056219121086537728
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Downes As I've been building and delivering the #el30 course I've been documenting the process in very detailed technical posts describing the design and construction - I'm up to seven posts now (and will probably double that by the time I'm done) starting here: https://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2018/09/designing-e-learning-30-in-grsshopper-1.html (twitter.com/_/status/1056219121086537728)
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[jgmac1106] oops wrong link
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[jgmac1106] https://twitter.com/earnest_m/status/1056555720768978944
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@earnest_m Taking about decentralised Web standards. Some exciting possibilities for interoperability. #mozfest https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dqmj0xcWsAA4MH2.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1056555720768978944)
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@jgmac1106 Generations model influencing web design: https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-06-03/1464998359506000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056566352599756800)
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@jgmac1106 Bookmarks as a form of qualitative coding? I am going through and searching #IndieWeb logs as part of my research into affinity spaces. Makes me think my blog could be the tool I use to organuize data for qualitative research, Wish Known had fragmentions… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/10/28/bookmarks-as-a-form-of-qualitative-coding (twitter.com/_/status/1056566721123962880)
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@jgmac1106 indiewebcamp becomes http://indieweb.org with an events page: https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-06-20/1466460493552000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056567238503923712)
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sknebel [jgmac1106] is syndicating bookmarks I guess?
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[jgmac1106] oops....sorry I forgot
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[jgmac1106] Doing research
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[jgmac1106] Loqi needs a self imposed mute button.....but then again I keep using the syndication links in meta...maybe it will be useful to someone in five years.
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@jgmac1106 I took your table and filled it out with some Indieweb technology pointers here…: https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/i-took-your-table-and-filled-it-out-with-some-indieweb-technology-pointers-here-https-indieweb-963f369eb18d (twitter.com/_/status/1056569065957965825)
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aaronpk I was wondering what that was
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[jgmac1106] experimenting if I can own my qualitative coding from my domain.
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sknebel how to share bookmarks is an interesting question – e.g. I've decided to generally try to not feature bookmarks without commentary, even if it's just a small note providing context
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[jgmac1106] yeah wondering [sknebel] but if I did use twitter interactions as an indicator to audience usefulness my bookmarks often get the highest impagts
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[jgmac1106] but the open ed group is a long time (if nto only one left) social bookmarking sharing community
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@jgmac1106 2017/Nuremberg/onboarding - IndieWeb: https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/onboarding (twitter.com/_/status/1056570994188541954)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Microsub (+32) "separate out in-progress servers, rephrase sentences about production servers" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 Example as people and not technology being labeled as generations: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-06-22/1498164796780000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056571786039607299)
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tantek.com edited /events/2018-10-27-mozfest (+428) "add explicit session with indie event, add photo" (view diff)
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[tantek] great last minute session at MozFest! added photo
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[tantek] so we have at least one photo for this week's newsletter
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Loqi [tantek]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 34 minutes ago: picture if you need one for the event page later: https://twitter.com/Downes/status/1056219121086537728
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[tantek] got it!
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aaronpk 🎉
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@jgmac1106 kongaloosh-2 year #IndieWeb Reflection: https://kongaloosh.com/e/2017/6/22/hello-world (twitter.com/_/status/1056574372352348164)
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[tantek] sknebel your bookmark questions is somewhere between #indieweb and #dev. I'll try #indieweb and if it gets technical we can take it to #dev
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[tantek] aaronpk I covered a dozen or more spec summaries in ~10 minutes.
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aaronpk o.O
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aaronpk was it recorded?
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[tantek] really wish I'd somehow recorded the session
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[tantek] not AFAIK
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aaronpk I would have loved to see that
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[tantek] I need to figure out a portable self-session recording kit
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aaronpk yeah that's a tough problem
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[tantek] that doesn't depend on me using my laptop
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@jgmac1106 The confusion about the indieweb – Colin Walker: https://colinwalker.blog/the-confusion-about-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1056575189495017472)
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[tantek] I mean, do I need to break out my camcorder from the 90s wtf?
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aaronpk I have a lot of thoughts and experience on that
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aaronpk yes, or a gopro, but you also need a good microphone
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[jgmac1106] I still keep my flip camera for this reason..wow those things were great
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[tantek] lol yes
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[jgmac1106] one button, one purpose device
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[tantek] need a tripod too
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aaronpk actually your ipod and a tripod plus a wireless mic could do a good job
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[tantek] I guess hypothetically another iPod touch + tripod could be enough
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[tantek] lol
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[jgmac1106] there are mozfest sessions where I was liveblogging with one hand and trying periscope with the other
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[jgmac1106] and duct tape, always duct tape
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[tantek] it has to be setup and let it go
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[tantek] aaronpk we should figure out a "kit" for this
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[tantek] cheap - with the cheapest ipod touch
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[jgmac1106] multidirectional mics are key as well
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[jgmac1106] it would say its ipod, tripod, mic
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[tantek] multidirectional bluetooth mic paired to the iPod touch
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aaronpk I have a good little wireless mic that I brought to nürnberg
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aaronpk the jabra one at NY is good too if you need to pick up more than one person
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[tantek] so that's the kit. ipod touch, multidirectional bluetooth mic, mini tripod
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[jgmac1106] be nice if we had a kit for the Americas and one for Europe that could be shipped out to events ahead of time
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aaronpk we can definitely make that happen
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aaronpk speaking of recording, i'm planning on bringing my Nürnberg video kit to Berlin again so that we don't have to rely on getting video out of the mozilla system
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[jgmac1106] and speaking of your buidlignblocks, I split the video into 3 parts to share it...MY ISP boots me everytime I try to upload to AWS..gonna try three smaller files
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@jgmac1106 antipatterns - IndieWeb: https://indieweb.org/antipatterns#mass_adoption (twitter.com/_/status/1056578294907371520)
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[jgmac1106] cweiske++ for an awesome chat search
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@jgmac1106 Connection between microformats and #IndieWeb: https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2011-12-07#t1323275434000000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056581475464810498)
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@jgmac1106 Tinker to learn: https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2013-03-04#t1362424161000000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056582439433355270)
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@jgmac1106 What do you hope to learn: https://chat.indieweb.org/2013-07-01#t1372685224000000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056584433690652672)
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[jgmac1106] FYI 1549 mentions of "+learn -delete -created" in the chat logs
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@jgmac1106 The IndieWeb, Revolution, and Other Reasons You Should Learn to Code – The Electric Abacus: https://electricabacus.net/2014/03/25/the-indieweb-revolution-and-other-reasons-you-should-learn-to-code/ (twitter.com/_/status/1056586263959162881)
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@jgmac1106 An example of JIT (just in time teaching) on the #IndieWeb: https://chat.indieweb.org/2014-04-05#t1396727567000000 (twitter.com/_/status/1056587666882547714)
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@HongPong ↩️ Quick suggestion take a look at http://indieweb.org (which covers a lot of different publishing software) and the "POSSE" (publish once syndicate elsewhere) model. So the blog is like the hub and social media is like the spokes (twitter.com/_/status/1056589632199110657)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ That collective commons?? We call it the web, get a domain, get a website and #BeYourOwnSocialNetwork #IndieWeb #MozFest (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/aVbyR) (twitter.com/_/status/1056591256074289152)
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aaronpk the default camera app on iOS can't record from an external mic
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If I come off as a patronizing I offer my apologies. The web can never be the collective commons if onboarding is exclusionary. #IndieWeb (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/FpBhK) (twitter.com/_/status/1056624702712696832)
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aaronpk the alternative is an external mic that plugs in like the little one I had in Nürnberg. then it can record using the normal camera app
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[jgmac1106] got beat up on that one, was responding to a webmention not realizing I was breaking an unspoken rule of Twitter
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sknebel so do I turn this thing into a bridgy-like thing? or do I hook it into the wikis webmention.io? (that might be a bit too surprising?)
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aaronpk what's that now?
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sknebel last 2 edits above :D
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk no I think hooking into the webmention endpoint makes sense
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aaronpk if someone posts an RSVP and sends a webmention to the wiki it should just work
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sknebel okay, so I need to set up a webhook target and you can set me up a hook in webmention.io?
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sknebel could also crawl future HWC pages' WMs through the API, but if we have hooks...
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aaronpk yeah I can set up a hook
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sknebel k, will ping you once I got the other bits ready
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@jgmac1106 You folks should build a news stack or template for an #IndieWeb news site. I hate that all the local WordPress themes rely on the facebook comment plugins. Webmentions would be even better. Heck maybe they could do local subdomains for revenue (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1zaHAm) (twitter.com/_/status/1056638831133376518)
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[eddie] That’s pretty awesome sknebel
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sknebel It's fairly dependent on the wiki pages being "just right", but they generally are
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sknebel since the tricky bit of all this is "here's a blob of wiki markup. make your changes, don't destroy anything, and give it back"
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aaronpk is it even looking at the fragment to know which section to post the RSVP in?
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sknebel that's the easiest way I could come up with to find the right one
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aaronpk nice yeah
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sknebel what tripped me up at first are the commented-out other sections
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sknebel but some sprinkling of regex should have that fixed...
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Zegnat Re the recording oneself and microphones: I think it may also take some practice on the person being recorded (e.g. yourself). I remember sebsel holding the bluetooth mic in Nürnberg and very cleverly repeating a question that was asked. Haven’t checked the online recording yet, but I imagine that really helps lessen the dependency on multidirectional mics. But personally I wouldn’t think to repeat the question like that before
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Zegnat answering ... needs training
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aaronpk it takes a long time to train people to repeat the question :)
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aaronpk even people who do a lot of public speaking
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sebsel I guess I just watch too many conference talks on youtube. it was a reflex for me. I didn't actually hold any mic :P
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Zegnat Didn’t you? I thought you did. I thought someone did...
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Zegnat Either way, on point with the repeating of the question!
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Zegnat sebsel++ public speaking skills
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@aaronpk ↩️ @netzor @swentel I wrote a bunch about exactly that here: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1056658221534916608)
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@jgmac1106 When researching cool web communities like #IndieWeb and #DS106 I have to fight the depression of trying to squeeze all these webby things down into the limitations of text. Also fight urge to just go full digital essay https://jgregorymcverry.com/ds106-as-an-affinity-space/ (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1r1pH0) (twitter.com/_/status/1056692951580065793)